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and good afternoon from Philadelphia

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Frank here with another edition of UFO

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news network Sunday on a Sunday and

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sometimes it is better to be lucky than

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good and I think we're lucky today to

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have our special guests along with us

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thanks for coming on Stevie there yeah

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yeah

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going to be a full one-hour special on

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ABC network tonight featuring a full

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hour interview between George

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Stephanopoulos and our president Donald

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Trump I don't think that we have to go

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into too much detail on who is for the

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listeners and one of the topics it's

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going to be covered and we've already

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seen a bit of a snippet from this is

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UFOs as Steve this is a maybe historic

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from that era the proctor fell

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initiative which is very important and

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there's plenty of information about our

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net on the net that that Podesta spoke

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to the issue at the National Press Club

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October 22nd in 2002 so that's like but

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five years after cleaning leaves office

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but after he left the White House

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Kenneth innopolis went right to the news

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and ABC News and quickly was a big

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player there and the rose to to be one

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of their top absolute top people he made

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me in charge the news I'm not sure where

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he has been since 1997 so we're talking

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what 22 years now all that time George

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Stephanopoulos knew about the

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Rockefeller initiative he knew what

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happened back then he knew that there

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was a serious effort to try to get

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things out he knew that his boss was

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stonewalled and so forth then during the

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campaign of 2016 to 2018 sorry

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2014 15 and 16 you know our campaigns

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are long these days but the campaign

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2015/2016 his his former boss's wife is

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running for the Presidency and I went to

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Washington and started working the story

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heavily and started generating news

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stories about the fact that there's a

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strong connection between Hillary

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Clinton and her political team her

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husband and so forth Podesta to the e.t

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issue and she's running for presidents

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leading candidate and by god she

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probably should be talking about that

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but they didn't want it they weren't

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going to talk about it but I got the

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news story in play and I had my I had a

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publicist is working for me she's one of

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the top people in town she knows

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everybody we got that story going and

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once he got going it took off and

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eventually 400 articles were written

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about her connection to the et issue

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that put enough pressure on them that

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she spoke to the issue a number of times

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in controlled settings so did her

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husband so did Podesta I think 11 times

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total I mean some of these were tweets

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still and that generated more news

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that's what helped to drive the news

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coverage they didn't want to do that

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they wanted to stay completely low until

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the white house which point she was

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going to disclose and during that entire

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two years George Stephanopoulos over at

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ABC News knowing the whole history never

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interviewed them or asked them a

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question about it even when he was a

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debate moderator he didn't bring it up

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the extra-terrestrial issue her

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connection to it the national security

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implications was sufficient enough to be

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news so then she loses and then then she

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in her husband and Podesta do not

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basically stay away from this issue but

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best is now getting back into it because

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things are moving along very quickly

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again Stephon office does nothing until

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finally he brings up the question to

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Donald Trump so I have to be I don't

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like to be a cynic but I would love to

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have lunch with George Stephanopoulos

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which I assure you will never happen and

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say George can we review the last 24

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years if you don't mind because I'm a

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little confused about your approach to

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this issue and your role as a top

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journalist in America in any event

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Donald Trump basically said he'd been

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briefed apparently about the recent big

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story that evolved from the New York

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mostly about the Navy pilots Browne he

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didn't told something he was asked if he

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let the UFO exit trust your life he said

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he didn't think so or he doesn't know

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and I think that's about it I'm not

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surprised at that answer I think it's

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going to generate some media a little

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bit but I don't think it's gonna go

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anywhere

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but it might it's it's hard to predict

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on something like this he did make a

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statement but it was a contrary

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statement basically and has and there's

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no indication he has been given a full

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briefing on this issue

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I'm obviously certain that is not happen

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so we'll have to wait and see on this

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Steve what makes you certain about

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that certain about what what you just

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said that he hasn't been given a full

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briefing if he had been given a full

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briefing on the extra-terrestrial issue

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there'd be indications there would be

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the entire Washington DC now is a giant

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leaking sieve everything comes out here

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there and everywhere else if he had been

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given a heavy briefing on that they we

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would have found out and then there's

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the case that based upon everything I

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know about the current situation it's

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inconceivable to me that the the White

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House that the military intelligence

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complex would have given him a full

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briefing so hundred percent certain no

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let's just go with ninety-nine point

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nine eight okay okay got it and the the

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meeting that he had on it is there any

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way of finding out who might have been

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there it could have been nothing more

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than he's supposed to get some

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television spree things every day he

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doesn't doesn't take them all right I

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don't know how many he gets if in any

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net I don't know but somebody he has a

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National Security Advisor somebody let

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him know that there's these news stories

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out there about Navy pilots reporting

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seeing events and also that the Navy had

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made an adjustment to the protocols on

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reporting something like that and

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probably not much more than that

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so so some resources may jump on this

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and really push it that's their that's

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their prerogative from the standpoint of

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the disclosure process right now I don't

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see it there's much more there's much

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bigger much bigger things happening than

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that okay and that one thing that I did

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like about what he did have to say was

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well I think my great pilots would know

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our great pilots would know so he seems

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to be backing the witnesses there I like

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that I like that in the statement yeah

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that's a that's a that's a that's a

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positive and but then when asked about

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the extraterrestrial life issue

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he basically throws out a negative in

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other words he doesn't have a position

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he doesn't have knowledge about this he

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doesn't have a view about this this is

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not on his his list of things that that

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compel him and if that changes well I'm

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sure we'll be having to discuss

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about that in the future got it so

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that'll be at 8 o'clock tonight and do

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you have any word on if this particular

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topic goes deeper because I think this

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snippet was basically a teaser for the

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full one-hour interview do we know or

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not know that it goes any further than

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that just the little teaser that we've

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already seen or you think they're gonna

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go into a little bit more depth there we

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don't know I'm gonna put my money on

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that there's almost nothing very little

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more than that

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it's a very brief thing okay probably

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came and they always come right at the

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end of an interview it's always like the

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last thing that they do okay we're about

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done now and then just one more thing

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what do you think about exit dressing

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comes earlier than that I'd be I'd be

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intrigued but again I invite people as

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they watch this interview to understand

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George Stephanopoulos top journalist and

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ABC News has sat on the et Clinton

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connection doing nothing saying nothing

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doing no reporting for 20 basically 23

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well now that's not true since he became

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you went to the news of 97 so we're

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talking for 22 years and so now he

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brings this question up well I guess he

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thinks there's some news there but you

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need to understand he's much more right

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and so this all comes out of the heading

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of look the truth embargo is is built on

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thousands and thousands of politicians

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who don't want to go there because could

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be a problem for me journalists we're

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going not probably shouldn't go there

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government says there's nothing there

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witnesses don't want to disrupt their

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laws maybe have non-disclosure

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agreements academics who go well I

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probably could maybe investigate this

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maybe in teach it no no that could be a

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problem for me it's built on thousands

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of people doing that okay truth embargo

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I'm glad you brought that up because

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rich Kaufman actually wanted to ask you

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a few questions regarding a little bit

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of what you just said

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and here's a statement he said and then

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a few questions and that is political

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lobbying is a good thing we need to have

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people like Harry Reid who value the

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scientific study to help make a change

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in the attitudes of more than just a

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navy or the DoD to tackle this the FAA

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needs to get involved in commercial

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pilots to report we need to also have

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academia remove their obstructions in

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allowing students to study this and

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publish papers we need to get NASA to

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alter their attitude if you want a

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holistic perspective on this the

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attitudes of government overall needs to

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be altered how are you going to go about

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this how are you how are you going about

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doing this if you yes and then he says

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if you are structuring a single

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governmental body as the lead for this

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study where would you place it National

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Academy of Sciences considering it is

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indeed a worldwide phenomena and that we

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now have openly stated our position to

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the world would now be the time to have

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the UN tackle this what is the response

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on a world level to our announcements

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are us lobbyists leveraging Harry Reid

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or others who have are having successes

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and getting political traction ok no

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problem when we got 11 questions there

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let me put that all into a giant ball of

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string got all the things that he said

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that we needed that's what we wanted for

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70 years certainly since 91 and I've

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been doing what I could to have all of

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that absolutely

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it registers lobbyists in Washington

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good for her

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the second one to do so and it's been up

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in the hill doing some stuff I look

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forward to getting together with her

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when I return to Washington soon when I

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raise enough money to do that so what

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two lobbyists in in 24 years

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never been paid a penny of salary of

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course none of the major lobby firms

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will touch it

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massive businesses pharmaceuticals oil

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and everything else been human of lis

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hundreds of millions of dollars dollars

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lobbying Congress so and a truth embargo

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has been formally in place for 70 years

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so the idea how how can we how could a

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citizen activist movement with very

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little money certainly no money to give

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to politicians to get themselves elected

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change one of the most significant

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policies in American history

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and one of the most classified areas in

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American history well you do it by

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persistence you pound on the door year

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after year after year which they will

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not ignite they won't acknowledge they

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won't come to the door but you keep

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pounding on it until finally they get a

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little irritated enough and they start

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looking out the windows and thinking hmm

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maybe we should do something now at any

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time in this last 22 years there's any

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number of billionaires that could have

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jumped in and said you know this is

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pretty damn important I'm gonna fund

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major efforts to change the government's

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policies on this only one so far has

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done that you're talking about Bigelow

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or Rockefeller no I'm talking about

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Laurance Rockefeller and the tragedy of

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Rockefeller is that he was knowledgeable

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the subject was into the subject he

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helped out John Mack he helped out Danny

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Sheehan he helped out I think he also

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provided funds to minimal now possibly

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also Colin Andrews and so forth not

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massive monies but he's helping some of

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the money I think was pretty sizable for

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that time but he was getting old

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and so his big play with the Rockefeller

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initiative which he spent money on

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clearly he brought everybody to the

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ranch they had meetings I'm sure he

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dropped a lot of money plus he was found

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in the human potential foundation but he

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was getting old and also to have

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dementia was setting in and so he just

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didn't live long enough to go the next

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step and sure they after he died I got a

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call from his lawyer because I had sent

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in a a proposal to him to fund the

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advocacy work you know it's like I'm the

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political activist I'm the lobbyist I

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could use some funding and that lawyer

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was kind enough to call me and say look

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oh we we saw your proposal and

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unfortunately the mr. Rockefellers died

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so we won't be able to follow up on it

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okay yeah so he didn't he wasn't able to

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do he wasn't able to do well me but it

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is well since then some billionaires

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have turned up we have the money to be

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able to create all the things that mr.

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Hoffman would like to see in the sense

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that they would drive the process

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forward

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to the point of disclosure which brings

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up a very important point all of those

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wonderful things that he's talking about

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it's a wonderful list are virtually

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impossible to achieve without formal

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disclosure you got your pre disclosure

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world and you've got your post

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disclosure world and given the truth

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embargo given the fact that the

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government still maintains there is no

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phenomena that is of concern something

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there that's a threat people see things

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in the sky so what that is their

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position it is still their position and

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they are sitting on massive amounts of

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evidence and information and thousands

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of people are still under non-disclosure

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agreements and are not going to talk yet

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not because they're threatening us to

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show those are patriots and they believe

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that they should honor all their

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agreements so the embargo is this is a

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lid over a massive amount of stuff that

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is can is kept from us without that

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embargo ending without the government

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finally acknowledging yes there's an

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extraterrestrial presence being able to

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get the funding and the public support

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to create all of those things

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getting it taught in the schools getting

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the press fully engaged in independent

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research project a complete review of

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all the research has ever been done by

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the citizen science research activist

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movement one of the most important

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moments in the history of the human race

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you know I appreciate the to the stars

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Academy they just recently arrived love

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everything you're doing and totally

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support them but behind the to the Stars

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Academy is 70 years of citizen science

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activists pursuing this issue into the

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headwind of the governments embargo

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getting no money for it paying out of

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their pocket in order to keep this thing

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going so it wouldn't be completely

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subsumed into the black world without

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that you wouldn't have what we're having

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now and so once disclosure takes place

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be assured that the next financial I

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could hear him by the way dr. Michael

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Paul masters did say something for you

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that he wanted me to read to you and he

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said I got a message from Steve Bassett

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while on the book tour last month where

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he mentioned a new program they started

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called academics for disclosure or

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something like that it might be nice to

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hear him speak a little bit more about

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that it was definitely something I was

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interested in learning more about once

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he mentioned it sure in terms of what I

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expect one of the things I expect to

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happen post disclosure is that there

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there will be immediate pressure for a

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cabinet position on this the name of it

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who knows it could be Department of

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extraterrestrial Affairs or Department

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of EPs Atrisco I don't know what it'll

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be called but maybe the DoD may say no

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no we can handle it here and the public

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should immediately say uh-uh and so

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there'll be a cabinet level position

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with a person that is devoted to dealing

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with this issue and they may create a

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whole separate entity or they may try to

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work it out of NASA but more than likely

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it'll be a separate entity because this

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isn't just about science the

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implications of disclosure is massively

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political this is a very political issue

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has been all along so I expect that to

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I'm sure I'm sure they'll vet me

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thoroughly

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yeah but then that's then you'll clam up

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I wanna Stephen not tell us anything

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that's right so there we have now terms

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of the other program yeah I appreciate

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mr. Messrs bringing it up nice of him to

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do that look I tossed out a while back a

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new idea that I have new project that I

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want to pursue it isn't really it's

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still just in the nascent stage it's

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it's not nothing there's no front for it

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yet I do have a page on my website

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paradigm research group that org there

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basically is a splash page for it this

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is this is a challenging project which

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may become moot if we get disclosure but

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it's a simple idea it's based on Richard

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gages architects and engineers for 9/11

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truth concept where they got like 3,000

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architects and engineers the basin said

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that some of the physical aspects of the

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government's explanation was baloney

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though the government still completely

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clinks clinks - it's just explanation

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because that's what governments do they

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don't like to be found to be wrong they

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will take being wrong to the grave I get

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it okay so the idea was academics for

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disclosure one of the greatest

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intellectual failures in the history of

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human race as far as I'm concerned and

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there have been many intellectual

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failures is the complete submission of

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American academia to the truth embargo

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from day one I get it in the early days

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40s 50s Cold War 62 Cuban Missile Crisis

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all that this issue was absolutely Bob

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odden it was contained and and more

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aggressively maintained I suppose

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meaning that they were a little harsher

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on those that decided that they wanted

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to spill the beans but still nothing I

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mean complete submission virtually then

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after the truth embargo I mean after the

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cold war ends they still continue to

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submit so that there hasn't been proper

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courses taught on it ever except a few

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vanity courses and professors have done

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a few that are now shut down that's you

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know how many colleges we have 5,000 M

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hang professor's have come through those

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in 70 years millions and so this entire

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issue which were the evidence is just

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mounting and mounting and mounting

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global and it's everywhere and it's all

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over the internet the entire academic

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community say we really want we don't

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want to do we want to touch that

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hey it'll happen when it happens why did

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it's because we don't wanna ruffle

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anybody's feathers plus there's all that

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research money we get from the

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government grants and so forth we don't

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wanna you know risk that and so he

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basically just stood down for seventy

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years that is the not just stood down on

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I don't know some minor can't you know

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controversial issue in quantum mechanics

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on the most important issue

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scientifically and politically in the

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history of mankind that's what they

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stood down okay so academics right

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disclosure I was gonna start contacting

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people I know a number already and I've

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also put out a statement get in touch

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with me a couple people have but I

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haven't pushed it very hard to see if I

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could get a number of of individuals

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academics and the criteria that I'm

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using is very specific it's very careful

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is anyone who has a PhD or MD or whether

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they're teaching or not and anyone who

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is currently teaching above the high

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school level college level regardless of

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their degree to sign on to a basic

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statement which I believe is something

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defect is that I am convinced that that

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the same I'm convinced I I'm committed

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extraterrestrial presence engaging human

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race and that that disclosure a formal

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disclosure of this to the American

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people needs to take place that's the

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basics table so it's you know it's easy

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for me to do that however before I can

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go public I'm gonna have to get every

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one of them to sign a hold harmless

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agreement and that's what's that's

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what's holding it up right now plus I'm

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deep into these conferences I've got a

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Liam Khan coming up I've got two

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lectures to panels so I just haven't

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pursued it but that's the biggest that's

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the biggest barrier in other words

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they're gonna have to sign a hold

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harmless agreement that it Biff by

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signing on and I wouldn't go public with

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it until I had probably least a hundred

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I'm gonna yeah so it's a group any any

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damage it does to their career

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did a position and so forth that they

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would have to hold paradigm Research

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Group harmless on that and I wish I

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didn't have to do that but I still have

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to do that and we'll have to do that up

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and to the point there's disclosure

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after disclosure wouldn't wouldn't even

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need the program though nope I assure

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you after disclosure I couldn't be

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talking a lot I've got the academic

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community and this failure on their part

548
00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:02,910
and how they need to make up for that by

549
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:05,100
really getting on their bicycle and

550
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:06,570
pedaling very fast and start creating

551
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:09,360
departments across the country to

552
00:27:13,130 --> 00:27:10,799
address this issue and teach it and

553
00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:13,140
investigate it thoroughly and everything

554
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:15,720
new that comes I'll be you know leading

555
00:27:19,789 --> 00:27:18,570
the charge on that and other charges now

556
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:19,799
Steve you had mentioned earlier that

557
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:21,360
some more stuff is going to be coming

558
00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:22,770
down the pike that's gonna be very good

559
00:27:31,789 --> 00:27:24,360
that can you give us any kind of a heads

560
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:31,799
up on that hmm well the circumstances

561
00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:35,730
now or it's fairly straightforward to me

562
00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:37,740
because I've been doing nothing but

563
00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:40,169
followed this for 22 years obsessively

564
00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:43,260
to the to the exclusion of everything

565
00:27:49,850 --> 00:27:47,910
else right yeah which makes me in some

566
00:27:52,669 --> 00:27:49,860
respects unbelievably boring but the

567
00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:52,679
point is is that the to the Stars

568
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:55,350
Academy of Arts and Sciences which

569
00:28:01,570 --> 00:27:57,600
announced as its reality it puts up its

570
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:01,580
website October 11th 2017 with this name

571
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:06,240
that I think is deliberately oh it's the

572
00:28:13,340 --> 00:28:10,650
word I'm looking for soft right it's a

573
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:13,350
fun kind of soft thing the to the stars

574
00:28:18,860 --> 00:28:16,530
Wow everyone's go to the stars of Arts

575
00:28:23,260 --> 00:28:18,870
and Khadem II of Arts and Sciences it's

576
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:27,320
the National Academy of Arts and

577
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:28,320
Sciences

578
00:28:35,030 --> 00:28:29,970
you know the film the film group

579
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:35,040
whatever I forget and it does have a

580
00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:36,480
media component so it's kind of

581
00:28:42,980 --> 00:28:40,049
softening okay cool and it has a CEO who

582
00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:42,990
is not a former intelligence officer not

583
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:45,510
a former high-level political operative

584
00:28:48,110 --> 00:28:47,730
on the hill or a scientist dealing

585
00:28:51,050 --> 00:28:48,120
Internet

586
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:51,060
anything else he's a autodidact musician

587
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:53,730
very successful musician very successful

588
00:29:00,200 --> 00:28:57,450
businessman - who is huge into the issue

589
00:29:02,660 --> 00:29:00,210
who has been talking to them and and

590
00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:02,670
they sort of came together with a with a

591
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:04,980
I guess an agreement a similar idea look

592
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:06,810
yeah we need to do something and I kind

593
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:07,890
of know I think I know why they did it

594
00:29:12,410 --> 00:29:10,890
and so this comes out so that's time too

595
00:29:15,410 --> 00:29:12,420
long is the CEO he's the quarterback of

596
00:29:18,650 --> 00:29:15,420
the team Luis Elizondo is is I think the

597
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:18,660
the the the this chief interface without

598
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:21,450
question to the world on this issue this

599
00:29:29,090 --> 00:29:25,530
was a milestone game-changing deal this

600
00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:29,100
was perhaps the I used to run marathons

601
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:31,740
this is the last turn as you're coming

602
00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:35,520
into town after running 25 miles and you

603
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,320
made the turn and now you can virtually

604
00:29:41,270 --> 00:29:39,600
see way out there what not too far out

605
00:29:43,130 --> 00:29:41,280
there but the banners at the finish line

606
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,140
and some of the people standing around

607
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:45,600
that's kind of what it is for the

608
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:47,580
disclosure process of the disclosure

609
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:51,360
movement and since then everything

610
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,410
that's happening is essentially us

611
00:29:59,180 --> 00:29:57,840
finishing the race we're now heading

612
00:30:01,010 --> 00:29:59,190
toward disclosure it's only a question

613
00:30:03,770 --> 00:30:01,020
of how long it's going to take to get to

614
00:30:07,580 --> 00:30:03,780
the finish line which we can now see it

615
00:30:10,730 --> 00:30:07,590
has triggered all kinds of things one of

616
00:30:15,020 --> 00:30:10,740
those things is push back a lot of push

617
00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:15,030
back totally expected the government has

618
00:30:21,650 --> 00:30:16,440
been lying and misrepresenting this

619
00:30:24,770 --> 00:30:21,660
issue for 70 years undermining damaging

620
00:30:26,450 --> 00:30:24,780
reputations threatening people and along

621
00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:26,460
the way it's also conducted a number of

622
00:30:30,020 --> 00:30:28,200
outrageous Wars killing hundreds of

623
00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:30,030
thousands of people and plenty of other

624
00:30:33,290 --> 00:30:31,260
things so what you're just totally

625
00:30:36,380 --> 00:30:33,300
outrageous that we should never be doing

626
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,390
given our values and people don't trust

627
00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:38,640
it the trust in the Congress I think

628
00:30:45,380 --> 00:30:42,510
once hit 6% Hitler had a better trust

629
00:30:47,390 --> 00:30:45,390
ratio that from the American people so

630
00:30:50,530 --> 00:30:47,400
it's like they don't try so out comes

631
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:50,540
this group many which have worked in the

632
00:30:55,220 --> 00:30:53,130
deepest darkest levels of the military

633
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:55,230
intelligence complex suddenly saying we

634
00:30:59,120 --> 00:30:56,700
want to bring information to you about

635
00:31:00,650 --> 00:30:59,130
ETS and a whole bunch of people not ETS

636
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:00,660
I can't say that but about this

637
00:31:03,260 --> 00:31:01,770
phenomenon

638
00:31:06,170 --> 00:31:03,270
people saying you expect us to believe

639
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:06,180
you and so they push back they're trying

640
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,440
to find anything wrong with it and

641
00:31:11,810 --> 00:31:08,640
they're pounding on it

642
00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:11,820
I kind of don't some people and I know

643
00:31:15,410 --> 00:31:13,740
that George Knapp is totally outraged by

644
00:31:16,580 --> 00:31:15,420
this I disagree with George I mean

645
00:31:18,050 --> 00:31:16,590
George is one of the top people in the

646
00:31:20,030 --> 00:31:18,060
field one of the most important solid

647
00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:20,040
people out there has been for years but

648
00:31:25,940 --> 00:31:22,860
I disagree with him on this you would

649
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,950
expect that to be the case and it's part

650
00:31:29,540 --> 00:31:28,080
of the game it's part of the game and it

651
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:29,550
needs to hold up to that challenge and

652
00:31:35,390 --> 00:31:31,530
not whine about it too much and so you

653
00:31:38,210 --> 00:31:35,400
have that happening but the fact is the

654
00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:38,220
only reason that that we haven't already

655
00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:40,260
hit the finish line all right

656
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:43,110
meaning we turn the corner October 11th

657
00:31:49,130 --> 00:31:46,170
2017 and the only reason we didn't said

658
00:31:51,380 --> 00:31:49,140
straight up that last that last erode

659
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:51,390
there at City sitio Street and cross the

660
00:31:55,780 --> 00:31:53,370
finish line is the political

661
00:31:59,960 --> 00:31:55,790
developments of the election of 2016

662
00:32:03,500 --> 00:31:59,970
which is unprecedented on just about

663
00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:03,510
every level you can imagine it is it is

664
00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:06,110
incited probably four or five

665
00:32:13,940 --> 00:32:09,510
constitutional crises it is completely

666
00:32:17,090 --> 00:32:13,950
consuming the media to Congress and now

667
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:17,100
we have a new election starting two and

668
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:19,610
a half years before the election and

669
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:21,360
20-some candidates

670
00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:24,090
they'll be campaigning endlessly until

671
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,310
everybody will be fleeing to Australia

672
00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:28,320
hoping to never see another political

673
00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:30,990
candidate again at least American

674
00:32:36,290 --> 00:32:33,720
political candidate and so that what

675
00:32:39,050 --> 00:32:36,300
they triggered is now it's like light

676
00:32:42,650 --> 00:32:39,060
passing through a discus medium it slows

677
00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:42,660
it down and so it's like it could ankle

678
00:32:46,910 --> 00:32:45,000
weights on everybody in this field so

679
00:32:50,090 --> 00:32:46,920
we're now heading to the finish line but

680
00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:50,100
it's slowed down but be assured that if

681
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:52,230
you pay attention you see where it's

682
00:32:59,420 --> 00:32:57,690
going and so the New York we're going

683
00:33:01,930 --> 00:32:59,430
through the internet here yeah yeah

684
00:33:04,250 --> 00:33:01,940
those New York Times article triggered

685
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:04,260
its triggered nearly 400 articles

686
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:06,570
related articles to a tip and to the

687
00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:08,250
Stars Academy which are all linked on my

688
00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:10,110
website paradigm research group or just

689
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:12,510
go to the print media archive 400

690
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,890
they're all earmarked you can see them

691
00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:15,360
I've got him flagged you can

692
00:33:21,380 --> 00:33:17,700
read him and take ours there's that and

693
00:33:22,930 --> 00:33:21,390
then of course the the History Channel

694
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:22,940
which knew what's going on

695
00:33:26,660 --> 00:33:25,410
film them with the intent that they were

696
00:33:28,669 --> 00:33:26,670
gonna do a program that would then

697
00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:28,679
highlight this that's now out there

698
00:33:32,390 --> 00:33:31,320
History Channel launches the Project

699
00:33:34,370 --> 00:33:32,400
Blue Book program they're gonna have a

700
00:33:36,620 --> 00:33:34,380
second season of that and then the other

701
00:33:39,310 --> 00:33:36,630
thing that's happening is that now that

702
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:39,320
this thing is out this level in this way

703
00:33:44,419 --> 00:33:42,720
the the wrappings on the package are

704
00:33:46,220 --> 00:33:44,429
just really loosening quickly and

705
00:33:49,330 --> 00:33:46,230
they're one of the most important parts

706
00:33:54,250 --> 00:33:49,340
of that packages is witnesses there are

707
00:33:57,140 --> 00:33:54,260
thousands of witnesses in the military

708
00:34:00,440 --> 00:33:57,150
who are either witness to direct events

709
00:34:02,539 --> 00:34:00,450
sightings firsthand secondhand or were

710
00:34:03,770 --> 00:34:02,549
involved in the program itself or knew

711
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:03,780
about it in other ways there are

712
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:06,690
thousands either both in and n retired

713
00:34:12,919 --> 00:34:10,290
from the military and virtually all of

714
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:12,929
them with the occasional exception have

715
00:34:18,740 --> 00:34:17,310
remained silent honoring whatever

716
00:34:22,010 --> 00:34:18,750
agreements and understandings they have

717
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:22,020
that now things are changing and so what

718
00:34:27,859 --> 00:34:25,440
the to the stars launch is starting to

719
00:34:29,690 --> 00:34:27,869
do is making it easier for more

720
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:29,700
witnesses to come forward and you're

721
00:34:33,649 --> 00:34:31,770
starting to see that already another

722
00:34:34,730 --> 00:34:33,659
pilot here another pilot there now

723
00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:34,740
they're interviewing people off the

724
00:34:41,180 --> 00:34:37,350
Princeton who knows who could turn up

725
00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:41,190
right as as people start to realize hey

726
00:34:48,379 --> 00:34:46,260
you know it's it's okay now this clearly

727
00:34:50,450 --> 00:34:48,389
these other people are and in the

728
00:34:54,349 --> 00:34:50,460
Pentagon is a you know you know having

729
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:54,359
so that's that's significant and also it

730
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,210
it's if I would fully expect as the

731
00:35:01,849 --> 00:34:59,280
package continues to be the wrappings

732
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:01,859
continue to loosen on the the disclosure

733
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,050
package are they an embargo package

734
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:06,240
rather document to turnout

735
00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:09,930
why not and so recently some documents

736
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:13,020
turned up and these are already creating

737
00:35:19,820 --> 00:35:15,810
a significant controversy and those are

738
00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:19,830
documents that purport to be notes from

739
00:35:25,630 --> 00:35:21,660
a very well-known scientist by the name

740
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:25,640
of dr. Eric Davis involving will Miller

741
00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:28,800
now I have not reviewed them

742
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:33,660
yet I am not on top of this Richard

743
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:37,200
Dolan is and others and they are very

744
00:35:41,870 --> 00:35:40,110
significant documents of which which

745
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:41,880
have been known past in other words the

746
00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:43,680
meetings they're referring to they were

747
00:35:49,130 --> 00:35:46,020
they were announced and talked about all

748
00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:49,140
the way back in 2002 thirty-four rich

749
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:52,740
Steven Greer was involved in that he was

750
00:35:55,850 --> 00:35:53,970
involved in a lot of things a lot of

751
00:35:57,110 --> 00:35:55,860
people think Steve Steven wasn't

752
00:35:58,580 --> 00:35:57,120
involved in these things they're wrong

753
00:36:00,830 --> 00:35:58,590
he was you've all done a lot of things

754
00:36:02,090 --> 00:36:00,840
oh yeah we've got that we get a lot on

755
00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:02,100
this side that we're gonna really focus

756
00:36:09,110 --> 00:36:07,020
on you know at the end of the show this

757
00:36:12,620 --> 00:36:09,120
so there's a history here the people are

758
00:36:14,570 --> 00:36:12,630
known so my first reaction is yeah I'm

759
00:36:15,860 --> 00:36:14,580
gonna bet this is the real deal that I'm

760
00:36:18,980 --> 00:36:15,870
dying to find out more

761
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:18,990
however again there are plenty of people

762
00:36:25,310 --> 00:36:22,170
in this field who are frustrated and and

763
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:25,320
and very mistrustful and they're gonna

764
00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:27,570
try to prove it a hoax fine

765
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:29,430
all right that's good go at it no

766
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:30,690
problem

767
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,730
the thing is try to be cool about it try

768
00:36:36,380 --> 00:36:35,040
to be civil it's like hey this is just

769
00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:36,390
evidence we're trying to get to the

770
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:39,240
bottom of things if it's a disinfo hawks

771
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:41,160
in other words if it is there's two ways

772
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:42,510
there's only three possibilities here

773
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,010
with any document including this one

774
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,800
these documents fifteen pages it is in

775
00:36:50,990 --> 00:36:48,960
fact the absolute real deal that someone

776
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:51,000
has gotten permission to is willing to

777
00:36:55,340 --> 00:36:53,970
allow out to it is a hoax perpetrated by

778
00:36:55,820 --> 00:36:55,350
somebody with too much time on their

779
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:55,830
hands

780
00:37:00,380 --> 00:36:58,800
who has a bad worldview and maybe it not

781
00:37:02,180 --> 00:37:00,390
a particularly nice personality that

782
00:37:03,290 --> 00:37:02,190
decided to create a hoax because Hale

783
00:37:05,780 --> 00:37:03,300
there's a lot of people paying attention

784
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:05,790
and I'll get a lot of attention or three

785
00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:08,160
it is an actual formal disinfo effort on

786
00:37:11,330 --> 00:37:09,660
the part of those within the Department

787
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:11,340
of Defense they're opposed to what the

788
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:12,690
to the Stars Academy is doing and

789
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:15,510
they're throwing out this to make me

790
00:37:21,980 --> 00:37:19,890
muddy the waters and that includes some

791
00:37:23,540 --> 00:37:21,990
recent debunking that's been done from

792
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:23,550
some quote journalists who've written

793
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:25,170
some pretty nasty pieces about this

794
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:26,970
which I suspect could be actual

795
00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:29,490
government back in disinfo elements of

796
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:30,780
the government back to central

797
00:37:35,090 --> 00:37:31,920
these are the only three possibilities

798
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:35,100
and so we're gonna find out I know this

799
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:38,310
there there are two key people here I

800
00:37:42,289 --> 00:37:41,010
think it's I forget his air rank was

801
00:37:45,049 --> 00:37:42,299
admiral or whatever

802
00:37:47,299 --> 00:37:45,059
will Miller and Eric Davis commander

803
00:37:51,620 --> 00:37:47,309
commander will Miller and Eric Davis yes

804
00:37:55,660 --> 00:37:51,630
Admiral Wilson okay and they need to be

805
00:37:58,579 --> 00:37:55,670
contacted and find out ask them directly

806
00:38:01,089 --> 00:37:58,589
we had we'd contacted we went over this

807
00:38:04,429 --> 00:38:01,099
with a Michael Haleh we contacted

808
00:38:07,279 --> 00:38:04,439
commander Miller Monday and Tuesday so

809
00:38:09,469 --> 00:38:07,289
we had a lot of feedback from him Eric

810
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:09,479
Davis is basically through how put off

811
00:38:16,849 --> 00:38:13,890
essentially said no comment they are not

812
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:16,859
gonna cop no nobody's contacted Wilson

813
00:38:20,209 --> 00:38:17,369
yeah okay

814
00:38:22,339 --> 00:38:20,219
so these people have to be contacted we

815
00:38:25,609 --> 00:38:22,349
have to get their statements and when we

816
00:38:26,959 --> 00:38:25,619
do we'll have a much better idea of the

817
00:38:28,279 --> 00:38:26,969
validity of these documents back we'll

818
00:38:31,549 --> 00:38:28,289
probably find it out pretty quickly

819
00:38:35,630 --> 00:38:31,559
however and this is something that

820
00:38:39,459 --> 00:38:35,640
people forget when you are when you are

821
00:38:45,469 --> 00:38:39,469
talking to people who are inside and

822
00:38:48,019 --> 00:38:45,479
involved in any aspect of this issue who

823
00:38:50,479 --> 00:38:48,029
are under national security at national

824
00:38:51,949 --> 00:38:50,489
high security clearances and almost

825
00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:51,959
certainly national security not

826
00:39:00,009 --> 00:38:57,089
disclosures you cannot assume that what

827
00:39:01,669 --> 00:39:00,019
they say if they say anything about

828
00:39:06,829 --> 00:39:01,679
something like this

829
00:39:09,140 --> 00:39:06,839
is true exactly back away it is you have

830
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:09,150
three options if you are one of those

831
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:11,249
people and there are thousands of them

832
00:39:16,189 --> 00:39:14,130
right and unless somebody has been one

833
00:39:18,049 --> 00:39:16,199
of them you just don't know what it's

834
00:39:19,969 --> 00:39:18,059
like I've never been one of them but I

835
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,979
have a sense of what it's like people

836
00:39:23,289 --> 00:39:20,880
that have never been in that position

837
00:39:26,799 --> 00:39:23,299
just assume a lot of things that they

838
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:26,809
ignorant is not not not helpful they're

839
00:39:30,469 --> 00:39:29,249
you you're under you have a high

840
00:39:32,419 --> 00:39:30,479
national security clearance you've

841
00:39:34,849 --> 00:39:32,429
signed very powerful non-disclosure

842
00:39:37,009 --> 00:39:34,859
agreements your job is protecting a

843
00:39:38,329 --> 00:39:37,019
country this issue and the embargo is

844
00:39:40,849 --> 00:39:38,339
clearly under the matter of national

845
00:39:42,259 --> 00:39:40,859
security and you are now attached to an

846
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:42,269
event or a document and you're

847
00:39:46,549 --> 00:39:43,890
approached by a journalist got three

848
00:39:49,729 --> 00:39:46,559
options you say absolutely that's what

849
00:39:51,140 --> 00:39:49,739
happened I can't speak to this right I

850
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:51,150
can't talk about you there's four

851
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,609
options that's what happened I'm unable

852
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:55,920
to speak to this I have no idea what

853
00:40:00,680 --> 00:39:56,310
you're talk

854
00:40:01,790 --> 00:40:00,690
about or completely lie or deny what

855
00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:01,800
you're told those are the four options

856
00:40:07,310 --> 00:40:04,740
you have the problem the problem I have

857
00:40:10,690 --> 00:40:07,320
with what you're talking about is that

858
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:10,700
anybody can make up a document and they

859
00:40:16,850 --> 00:40:14,490
can go ahead and put whatever drama they

860
00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:16,860
want in there with hot topic related

861
00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:22,140
stuff and conspiracy Laden stuff and

862
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:25,190
then go ahead and attach your name

863
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:28,560
anybody's name to it and then and then

864
00:40:34,370 --> 00:40:31,680
if they so happen to include somebody

865
00:40:35,570 --> 00:40:34,380
that has top-secret clearance or

866
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:35,580
whatever terminology you want to use

867
00:40:42,410 --> 00:40:38,970
regarding the individual having access

868
00:40:45,290 --> 00:40:42,420
to classified material or if they happen

869
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,300
to be having if they haven't have worked

870
00:40:49,070 --> 00:40:47,520
in the capacity of intelligence for the

871
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:49,080
Pentagon or other areas of our

872
00:40:53,180 --> 00:40:50,490
government or other governments around

873
00:40:55,220 --> 00:40:53,190
the world they can then be accused of

874
00:40:58,220 --> 00:40:55,230
having been involved in the document by

875
00:41:01,340 --> 00:40:58,230
virtue of them having had denied

876
00:41:03,020 --> 00:41:01,350
involvement with the alleged document so

877
00:41:05,330 --> 00:41:03,030
then there's a circular discussion that

878
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:05,340
takes place and it's not fair to those

879
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:10,890
people chant let me let me tell you

880
00:41:14,930 --> 00:41:13,260
something I know you already know we're

881
00:41:20,510 --> 00:41:14,940
now living in the age of the internet

882
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,520
and what is fair the definitional rather

883
00:41:25,610 --> 00:41:22,560
that the the range of what is fair and

884
00:41:27,620 --> 00:41:25,620
what is not fair is not the same if we

885
00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:27,630
were a new world and we're gonna have to

886
00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:30,510
adjust to it the things that you can do

887
00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:34,020
with documents with postings with just

888
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:38,070
pure libel whatever hoaxes is now you

889
00:41:42,020 --> 00:41:40,140
know unprecedented level that most

890
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:42,030
people 100 years ago would be completely

891
00:41:46,610 --> 00:41:44,130
their mind would be blowing they told

892
00:41:49,070 --> 00:41:46,620
them that the most recent development

893
00:41:53,690 --> 00:41:49,080
this has just just come out a few about

894
00:41:55,490 --> 00:41:53,700
six days ago I love this way welcome to

895
00:41:58,670 --> 00:41:55,500
the future I know I tell you the

896
00:41:59,960 --> 00:41:58,680
Millennials I envy the fact that they're

897
00:42:01,880 --> 00:41:59,970
young but on the other hand I'm thinking

898
00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:01,890
boy you have no idea what you're heading

899
00:42:06,380 --> 00:42:04,260
into is that there there is now AI

900
00:42:09,980 --> 00:42:06,390
technology available they can take a

901
00:42:12,770 --> 00:42:09,990
speech by anybody any politician anybody

902
00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:12,780
and by adjusting it in various very

903
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,020
simple ways you can then overlay a

904
00:42:21,140 --> 00:42:18,960
completely different speech by a voice

905
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:21,150
voice actor who can mimic that person's

906
00:42:27,050 --> 00:42:23,850
voice and it makes it look exactly as if

907
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:27,060
that person is saying exactly that so

908
00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:29,130
someone to make up a video showing some

909
00:42:33,859 --> 00:42:31,980
movie star giving a 20-minute

910
00:42:35,660 --> 00:42:33,869
presentation about how they've been a

911
00:42:38,359 --> 00:42:35,670
secret member member of the American

912
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:38,369
Nazi Party right and so in order to

913
00:42:42,980 --> 00:42:40,710
counter this YouTube and some of these

914
00:42:45,410 --> 00:42:42,990
others are now scrambling to hire top

915
00:42:48,410 --> 00:42:45,420
people to come up with a counter AI

916
00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:48,420
program that is able to examine any

917
00:42:53,330 --> 00:42:51,060
video and find out if that manipulation

918
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:53,340
is taking place that is where we are now

919
00:42:59,300 --> 00:42:56,490
with respect to this document in this

920
00:43:00,890 --> 00:42:59,310
case I know that that can happen and and

921
00:43:03,230 --> 00:43:00,900
there's all matters of mistress they can

922
00:43:05,090 --> 00:43:03,240
take place in this case we have living

923
00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:05,100
people directly attributed to the

924
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:08,220
document and so you go to those people

925
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:10,890
and you get their response and you'll

926
00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:13,680
know pretty quickly if it's true and if

927
00:43:20,330 --> 00:43:16,500
if if somebody says I won't speak about

928
00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:20,340
it that's not a denial if somebody says

929
00:43:24,349 --> 00:43:22,109
no it's not true

930
00:43:26,330 --> 00:43:24,359
this is didn't happen but they're

931
00:43:28,010 --> 00:43:26,340
they're clearly under significant

932
00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:28,020
national security non-disclosure

933
00:43:31,970 --> 00:43:30,180
agreements you can't assume that what

934
00:43:33,740 --> 00:43:31,980
they're saying is the truth we've got

935
00:43:36,070 --> 00:43:33,750
three people here so I think we're gonna

936
00:43:38,810 --> 00:43:36,080
get to the bottom of this one and

937
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:38,820
hopefully the public statements from

938
00:43:42,590 --> 00:43:40,650
these people will be would be made

939
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:42,600
public the statements be made public so

940
00:43:47,570 --> 00:43:45,570
that we can assess them on their face

941
00:43:50,090 --> 00:43:47,580
meaning all right this person says it's

942
00:43:51,380 --> 00:43:50,100
true what's our feeling about that

943
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:51,390
statement if this person says it's not

944
00:43:53,740 --> 00:43:52,440
true what's our feeling about this

945
00:43:56,270 --> 00:43:53,750
statement as opposed to just trying to

946
00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:56,280
speculate because some document turned

947
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,260
up about a bunch of dead people that

948
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:00,480
happened 4050 years ago

949
00:44:04,970 --> 00:44:02,250
so I'm not worried that this is not

950
00:44:06,770 --> 00:44:04,980
gonna flesh out but I think anyone who

951
00:44:08,450 --> 00:44:06,780
takes an immediate position one way or

952
00:44:10,780 --> 00:44:08,460
the other that it's absolutely the legit

953
00:44:13,490 --> 00:44:10,790
or absolutely hoax is premature

954
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:13,500
yeah and now really quick steve-o we did

955
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:14,970
that this week obviously yeah we

956
00:44:19,130 --> 00:44:17,520
contacted the commander Wilson and he

957
00:44:22,490 --> 00:44:19,140
said what he said we went over in great

958
00:44:23,609 --> 00:44:22,500
detail Tuesday night and also we were

959
00:44:26,190 --> 00:44:23,619
continuing to do some

960
00:44:27,450 --> 00:44:26,200
I've got some interesting and that

961
00:44:28,890 --> 00:44:27,460
doesn't really prove anything one way or

962
00:44:31,229 --> 00:44:28,900
the other but it is interesting

963
00:44:32,609 --> 00:44:31,239
additional facts that we're gonna chant

964
00:44:36,809 --> 00:44:32,619
and I are going to discuss so when we

965
00:44:39,690 --> 00:44:36,819
wrap up with you and I mean that that's

966
00:44:41,940 --> 00:44:39,700
where it's at now obviously Richard

967
00:44:44,370 --> 00:44:41,950
Dolan had gone ahead and contacted how

968
00:44:47,279 --> 00:44:44,380
put off and you know just because

969
00:44:49,799 --> 00:44:47,289
somebody does deny it doesn't because

970
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:49,809
they're not going to comment on anything

971
00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:54,130
purported to be connected to national

972
00:44:57,690 --> 00:44:55,660
security it doesn't mean that they're

973
00:44:59,789 --> 00:44:57,700
necessarily admitting that the documents

974
00:45:02,249 --> 00:44:59,799
who true either I mean a perfect example

975
00:45:05,099 --> 00:45:02,259
of that where the to the Stars Academy

976
00:45:06,959 --> 00:45:05,109
was launched there's some there's some

977
00:45:09,150 --> 00:45:06,969
of the researchers in the field who did

978
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,160
exactly what you expect them to do they

979
00:45:13,650 --> 00:45:11,680
got in touch with the Pentagon meaning

980
00:45:15,779 --> 00:45:13,660
depending on front office right mm-hmm

981
00:45:19,279 --> 00:45:15,789
spokes people and they ask him about it

982
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:19,289
and this most people basically said

983
00:45:26,459 --> 00:45:23,200
contradictory statements meaning no I

984
00:45:28,349 --> 00:45:26,469
don't don't know this whatever because

985
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:28,359
for whatever reason and I think I know

986
00:45:33,259 --> 00:45:31,690
why they were not let in on they would

987
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:33,269
not let it on what was going to happen

988
00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:36,609
remember the to the Stars Academy is not

989
00:45:42,299 --> 00:45:40,390
a formal program at least publicly a

990
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:42,309
formal program of the Department of

991
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,910
Defense it just happens to be comprised

992
00:45:48,359 --> 00:45:47,200
of people that have worked all

993
00:45:53,009 --> 00:45:48,369
throughout the military intelligence

994
00:45:55,380 --> 00:45:53,019
community however people that did follow

995
00:45:58,380 --> 00:45:55,390
this issue know that it is in fact a

996
00:46:01,650 --> 00:45:58,390
semi formal meaning that they are backed

997
00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:01,660
by people inside the DoD the DoD is

998
00:46:06,569 --> 00:46:04,329
fully aware of it as is the CIA and at

999
00:46:09,269 --> 00:46:06,579
the DI D and the CIA wanted end they

1000
00:46:11,489 --> 00:46:09,279
would end it but they chosen not to

1001
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:11,499
which is extremely telling but because

1002
00:46:17,819 --> 00:46:14,319
it's not a full formal project it's it

1003
00:46:19,499 --> 00:46:17,829
the the the the the front office of the

1004
00:46:21,420 --> 00:46:19,509
Pentagon didn't need to be informed and

1005
00:46:22,650 --> 00:46:21,430
so people men got those statements and

1006
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:22,660
they threw their hands on sale oh is

1007
00:46:28,650 --> 00:46:25,690
this is you know funny look people have

1008
00:46:32,549 --> 00:46:28,660
to understand that the management of the

1009
00:46:36,209 --> 00:46:32,559
extra-terrestrial issue is huge is a

1010
00:46:37,899 --> 00:46:36,219
great deal involved a huge history it's

1011
00:46:39,459 --> 00:46:37,909
incredibly complicated

1012
00:46:40,749 --> 00:46:39,469
there's all kinds of national curity

1013
00:46:43,209 --> 00:46:40,759
rules and regulations and laws of

1014
00:46:45,299 --> 00:46:43,219
everything else and that we are just

1015
00:46:49,059 --> 00:46:45,309
seated a little tip of the iceberg and

1016
00:46:51,279 --> 00:46:49,069
so we're trying to put the pieces

1017
00:46:53,469 --> 00:46:51,289
together and make it all fit and so

1018
00:46:55,749 --> 00:46:53,479
forth no we don't have any but Begley

1019
00:46:57,279 --> 00:46:55,759
enough knowledge we just have to go with

1020
00:47:00,039 --> 00:46:57,289
what we're seeing what we're what what's

1021
00:47:01,439 --> 00:47:00,049
happening vet it as best we can but

1022
00:47:04,179 --> 00:47:01,449
don't jump to too many conclusions

1023
00:47:06,370 --> 00:47:04,189
because what's happening is and much

1024
00:47:10,209 --> 00:47:06,380
it's a it's it's simply part of a much

1025
00:47:13,019 --> 00:47:10,219
bigger agenda the old image is

1026
00:47:15,699 --> 00:47:13,029
disclosure yeah I wanted to jump in

1027
00:47:17,229 --> 00:47:15,709
finish up please follow me well the last

1028
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:17,239
thing I want to say is that look Eric

1029
00:47:21,689 --> 00:47:18,890
Davis is event gonna speak to this all

1030
00:47:24,759 --> 00:47:21,699
right Eric Davis is posting constantly I

1031
00:47:27,759 --> 00:47:24,769
I'm getting stuff I'm part of this or

1032
00:47:30,429 --> 00:47:27,769
that email list I'm getting things he's

1033
00:47:32,019 --> 00:47:30,439
posting all the time so what's happening

1034
00:47:33,909 --> 00:47:32,029
right now if Davis is not saying

1035
00:47:36,999 --> 00:47:33,919
anything right now he has a reason for

1036
00:47:40,149 --> 00:47:37,009
that he's probably waiting for any

1037
00:47:42,489 --> 00:47:40,159
number of things it maybe he's holding

1038
00:47:43,899 --> 00:47:42,499
off to do an interview who knows but the

1039
00:47:45,699 --> 00:47:43,909
idea that Eric Davis dr. Dave's not

1040
00:47:48,359 --> 00:47:45,709
going to speak to this document now he

1041
00:47:50,439 --> 00:47:48,369
will and if he comes out and completely

1042
00:47:52,839 --> 00:47:50,449
endorses it and says that yes these are

1043
00:47:54,269 --> 00:47:52,849
my notes then that's that's it case

1044
00:47:57,389 --> 00:47:54,279
closed

1045
00:47:59,889 --> 00:47:57,399
yep and you had talked about pushback

1046
00:48:03,309 --> 00:47:59,899
earlier on and there was some pushback

1047
00:48:05,169 --> 00:48:03,319
in the media a story in the intercept

1048
00:48:07,449 --> 00:48:05,179
that you took some serious issue with so

1049
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:07,459
let's say you were saying that before we

1050
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:08,689
went on it's kind of died down a little

1051
00:48:13,299 --> 00:48:11,209
bit but you wanted to at least talk

1052
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:13,309
about a little bit I don't I don't want

1053
00:48:18,129 --> 00:48:16,130
to beat this one up I there was the

1054
00:48:20,319 --> 00:48:18,139
intercept there was an inner there was

1055
00:48:21,999 --> 00:48:20,329
an article in the intercept which I I

1056
00:48:24,939 --> 00:48:22,009
follow the intercept it's a very

1057
00:48:26,499 --> 00:48:24,949
important investigative journalist

1058
00:48:29,229 --> 00:48:26,509
operation it's not even money behind it

1059
00:48:32,709 --> 00:48:29,239
and it's got Pulitzer Prize people

1060
00:48:34,689 --> 00:48:32,719
involved but Glenn Greenwald who is a

1061
00:48:39,969 --> 00:48:34,699
strong critic of the United States Laura

1062
00:48:41,529 --> 00:48:39,979
Poitras and and they they're doing the

1063
00:48:44,289 --> 00:48:41,539
kind of investigative journalism that

1064
00:48:48,429 --> 00:48:44,299
god I wish MSNBC and ABC and NBC ABC but

1065
00:48:50,830 --> 00:48:48,439
to CNN so I respect them and so this

1066
00:48:52,810 --> 00:48:50,840
article turns up on the front page and

1067
00:48:55,570 --> 00:48:52,820
essentially an attack piece on on Lewis

1068
00:48:58,590 --> 00:48:55,580
Elizondo in the hole pay tip thing in

1069
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:58,600
general there's this this this

1070
00:49:03,220 --> 00:49:01,520
journalist quote-unquote thinks he's got

1071
00:49:04,930 --> 00:49:03,230
an angle thinks he's found something and

1072
00:49:06,940 --> 00:49:04,940
so he writes basically what is a

1073
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:06,950
debunker piece it's demeaning it's

1074
00:49:11,260 --> 00:49:09,710
insulting it's condescending it's all

1075
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:11,270
the kind of stuff that feel class used

1076
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:14,000
to do years ago and others you know but

1077
00:49:17,380 --> 00:49:15,650
mostly class it was the most famous for

1078
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:17,390
it and it's like there was like it just

1079
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:21,410
popped in out of the 70s and I pissed me

1080
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:24,530
off so I publicized a very strong

1081
00:49:31,060 --> 00:49:27,170
response to this article and invited

1082
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:31,070
people to tear it up rip it up show it

1083
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:34,640
for what it is but it was so ridiculous

1084
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:38,480
and so easily proven to be wrong that it

1085
00:49:42,940 --> 00:49:41,810
died down my biggest concern was that it

1086
00:49:45,250 --> 00:49:42,950
might get picked up by some of the major

1087
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:45,260
of papers or even the television

1088
00:49:50,050 --> 00:49:48,050
operations and and then it could could

1089
00:49:53,350 --> 00:49:50,060
create what I would considered you know

1090
00:49:56,530 --> 00:49:53,360
blow real real pushback but it really

1091
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:56,540
hasn't and so it's one of those things

1092
00:50:00,070 --> 00:49:57,650
now it's gone

1093
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:00,080
I don't expect more in that area but I

1094
00:50:06,220 --> 00:50:03,610
did mention in my my statement that

1095
00:50:08,050 --> 00:50:06,230
given everything else is happening and

1096
00:50:10,300 --> 00:50:08,060
given the pace of disclosure process

1097
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,310
picking up and and all that's taking

1098
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:13,040
place we're aware of knowing that there

1099
00:50:17,470 --> 00:50:14,960
are opponents to this whole thing in

1100
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:17,480
there are plenty of people with some

1101
00:50:22,530 --> 00:50:19,250
position in the military intelligence

1102
00:50:25,690 --> 00:50:22,540
complex certainly a DoD and co CIA who

1103
00:50:28,450 --> 00:50:25,700
who feel that the American people should

1104
00:50:30,010 --> 00:50:28,460
never be told the truth about the ETS or

1105
00:50:33,940 --> 00:50:30,020
it confirms at least not in their

1106
00:50:37,660 --> 00:50:33,950
lifetime and they're opposed to it and

1107
00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:37,670
so it was not an assistant just turn up

1108
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:39,710
on some blog somewhere or one of those

1109
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,800
fringe sites but a major investigative

1110
00:50:48,490 --> 00:50:44,240
journalist site it thought it may be it

1111
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:48,500
was commissioned by insiders to be

1112
00:50:55,570 --> 00:50:51,970
pushback right standard disinfo

1113
00:50:58,720 --> 00:50:55,580
debunking pushback don't know haven't

1114
00:51:02,290 --> 00:50:58,730
seen anything similar to it lately but I

1115
00:51:04,210 --> 00:51:02,300
will say this look there's there this is

1116
00:51:04,750 --> 00:51:04,220
a 70 some you're this is a 70 year truth

1117
00:51:07,420 --> 00:51:04,760
embargo

1118
00:51:09,010 --> 00:51:07,430
on a major issue that has frustrated

1119
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:09,020
huge numbers of people for a long time

1120
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:11,330
and so everything that the to the Stars

1121
00:51:19,060 --> 00:51:16,480
Academy is doing is going to be heavily

1122
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:19,070
engaged and it's going to be in

1123
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:21,170
positives and negatives and there's no

1124
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:22,490
way around it and I think they should

1125
00:51:27,580 --> 00:51:24,530
embrace that don't complain about it

1126
00:51:29,890 --> 00:51:27,590
it's not it's not it's not your fault it

1127
00:51:31,180 --> 00:51:29,900
was not specifically their fault well

1128
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:31,190
actually just something created as most

1129
00:51:34,510 --> 00:51:32,240
of these people have been sitting on

1130
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:34,520
this issue most of their life most of

1131
00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:36,050
the people the to the Stars Academy know

1132
00:51:38,980 --> 00:51:37,250
that team that know there's

1133
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,990
extraterrestrials here they just can't

1134
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:40,400
say that yet because they're under

1135
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:43,970
strict rules of engagement but the rest

1136
00:51:49,810 --> 00:51:48,110
of us right are irritated because the

1137
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:49,820
government has played this game out and

1138
00:51:54,940 --> 00:51:52,370
so they're gonna take some heat take it

1139
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:54,950
it's okay all right and and and take it

1140
00:51:58,660 --> 00:51:56,570
with some grace because in the end

1141
00:52:00,250 --> 00:51:58,670
you're gonna win you're gonna win and

1142
00:52:02,290 --> 00:52:00,260
you're gonna cross the finish line in

1143
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:02,300
Elizondo or Tom DeLonge it's gonna hold

1144
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:04,160
up the Super Bowl trophy then we're

1145
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:05,450
gonna be in the post disclosure world

1146
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:07,850
thank God and when you're in politics

1147
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:10,880
you really can't take the the high road

1148
00:52:15,550 --> 00:52:13,130
and rise above some of these things you

1149
00:52:18,430 --> 00:52:15,560
got to respond you got a you got a you

1150
00:52:19,660 --> 00:52:18,440
got a hit back so uh it's it's part of

1151
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:19,670
the game you know wait a minute when you

1152
00:52:23,710 --> 00:52:21,440
say are you referring to the to the

1153
00:52:25,570 --> 00:52:23,720
stars Academy hitting back well anybody

1154
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:25,580
really but yeah them in particular yes

1155
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:27,200
no no they shouldn't hit back yeah sure

1156
00:52:33,460 --> 00:52:31,280
in pain be Prince wait look the high

1157
00:52:35,170 --> 00:52:33,470
road is the best road always take the

1158
00:52:39,390 --> 00:52:35,180
problem right now is there's so many low

1159
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:39,400
roads you can't find the high road right

1160
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:43,370
in political and political how would you

1161
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:46,210
say conflict seeking office wherever

1162
00:52:53,110 --> 00:52:49,040
somebody comes after you sometimes you

1163
00:52:57,220 --> 00:52:53,120
got to hit back this is not a this is

1164
00:53:01,300 --> 00:52:57,230
this is a a disclosure process going on

1165
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:01,310
this is revealing it's not it there is

1166
00:53:05,230 --> 00:53:02,960
political implications without question

1167
00:53:10,180 --> 00:53:05,240
but it's not a political a fundamental

1168
00:53:11,710 --> 00:53:10,190
political effort it's it is in fact kind

1169
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:11,720
of like journalism in a sense

1170
00:53:15,130 --> 00:53:13,250
investigative journalism going on and

1171
00:53:17,780 --> 00:53:15,140
you've got people coming forward and

1172
00:53:20,290 --> 00:53:17,790
trying to tell the truth the

1173
00:53:24,190 --> 00:53:20,300
last thing they want to do is hit back

1174
00:53:27,050 --> 00:53:24,200
hitting back just feeds the opposition

1175
00:53:30,140 --> 00:53:27,060
right what do you got to hide why are

1176
00:53:33,010 --> 00:53:30,150
you so sensitive if you're if you're a

1177
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:33,020
truth-teller you just tell the truth and

1178
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:35,010
there are people out there that don't

1179
00:53:37,930 --> 00:53:36,450
believe that truth and they will attack

1180
00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:37,940
you fine

1181
00:53:41,930 --> 00:53:40,260
what are you gonna do spend your whole

1182
00:53:43,700 --> 00:53:41,940
life arguing with people that that

1183
00:53:45,050 --> 00:53:43,710
haven't figured out that is the truth

1184
00:53:47,180 --> 00:53:45,060
and they just wanted to bait you until

1185
00:53:48,620 --> 00:53:47,190
till the end of time no you just keep

1186
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:48,630
telling the truth and people will

1187
00:53:52,490 --> 00:53:50,010
eventually figure out ah that's the

1188
00:53:54,500 --> 00:53:52,500
truth and as that process happens you

1189
00:53:56,450 --> 00:53:54,510
move further forward that's the way you

1190
00:53:58,610 --> 00:53:56,460
deal in something like that you don't

1191
00:54:01,310 --> 00:53:58,620
debate every single person that turns up

1192
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:01,320
who's got an issue you don't and you

1193
00:54:05,900 --> 00:54:04,170
also don't beiong to disrespect them you

1194
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:05,910
just acknowledge okay you got your point

1195
00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:09,210
of view and you go forward that's that's

1196
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:13,260
the proper way to do this but hey hi I'm

1197
00:54:18,860 --> 00:54:16,200
not part of that team and they're not

1198
00:54:22,370 --> 00:54:18,870
asking for my advice they're doing

1199
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:22,380
pretty well and overall I I'm fine I'm

1200
00:54:26,540 --> 00:54:24,450
flying with what's going on oh yeah we

1201
00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:26,550
haven't had yonce inside the show the

1202
00:54:30,380 --> 00:54:28,740
TTS a show unidentified is premiered

1203
00:54:33,770 --> 00:54:30,390
have you had a chance to watch it and do

1204
00:54:35,780 --> 00:54:33,780
you have any thoughts of course before

1205
00:54:37,700 --> 00:54:35,790
you do that I would like to go ahead and

1206
00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:37,710
introduce chase and then Steve can go

1207
00:54:41,570 --> 00:54:39,870
ahead and address that chase clutzy

1208
00:54:43,460 --> 00:54:41,580
thank you so very much for having come

1209
00:54:45,530 --> 00:54:43,470
on the show with us today she's an

1210
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:45,540
author a forensic investigator and

1211
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:48,810
explorer and also a chase could you also

1212
00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:53,520
be accurately called an activist that

1213
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:55,730
would probably be more legitimate than

1214
00:55:05,390 --> 00:55:01,920
other things I've been called hi see

1215
00:55:06,850 --> 00:55:05,400
it's so good to hear you look you are

1216
00:55:10,730 --> 00:55:06,860
number of things

1217
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:10,740
SMI your lobbyist you registered your

1218
00:55:18,410 --> 00:55:15,210
lobbyist right now

1219
00:55:20,270 --> 00:55:18,420
I actually didn't Steve and I and I'll

1220
00:55:23,210 --> 00:55:20,280
explain that in a moment because sorry I

1221
00:55:26,450 --> 00:55:23,220
thought you had I forgive me huh no no

1222
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:26,460
because you were right it was but to

1223
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:30,210
register here in DC I was filling out

1224
00:55:33,539 --> 00:55:31,599
all the paperwork and

1225
00:55:35,729 --> 00:55:33,549
I honestly was going to hit Send and

1226
00:55:38,729 --> 00:55:35,739
then decided not to because my

1227
00:55:41,699 --> 00:55:38,739
experience personally here is I didn't

1228
00:55:42,660 --> 00:55:41,709
need it I'm already talking to some of

1229
00:55:45,779 --> 00:55:42,670
the right people

1230
00:55:48,180 --> 00:55:45,789
I'm already gotten my in and I kind of

1231
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:48,190
thought you know we're not making money

1232
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:49,690
there's like I don't know it just seemed

1233
00:55:57,180 --> 00:55:53,130
like a lot of work just for a title and

1234
00:56:01,019 --> 00:55:57,190
and I haven't needed it not one time yes

1235
00:56:01,979 --> 00:56:01,029
I D so in a state as a lobbyist didn't

1236
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:01,989
you correct correct

1237
00:56:06,589 --> 00:56:03,690
oh yeah I have been you still have that

1238
00:56:10,910 --> 00:56:06,599
listing yes then you're a lobbyist

1239
00:56:13,259 --> 00:56:10,920
however I am still the only national

1240
00:56:16,499 --> 00:56:13,269
extraterrestrial phenomena lobbyist in

1241
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:16,509
the world hello hello yeah you could

1242
00:56:21,870 --> 00:56:19,119
actually be the only registered because

1243
00:56:23,699 --> 00:56:21,880
I'm inactive so and that's because I

1244
00:56:25,620 --> 00:56:23,709
make no money and when you don't make

1245
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:25,630
the money and you're not being paid but

1246
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:28,089
to address that quickly Steve they don't

1247
00:56:34,829 --> 00:56:30,609
know that up here so when you have that

1248
00:56:36,779 --> 00:56:34,839
Lobby ID and you're approaching as a

1249
00:56:38,189 --> 00:56:36,789
lobbyist they don't know you're not

1250
00:56:40,140 --> 00:56:38,199
making money they don't know you're not

1251
00:56:42,209 --> 00:56:40,150
funded the only people that would know

1252
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:42,219
that would be you and the campaign

1253
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:44,410
finance office it takes all those

1254
00:56:51,959 --> 00:56:48,329
reports so and keeps us honest but um

1255
00:56:54,539 --> 00:56:51,969
honestly it's it's open the right people

1256
00:56:57,269 --> 00:56:54,549
are ready to listen if you have

1257
00:56:59,819 --> 00:56:57,279
something legitimate and intelligent to

1258
00:57:03,719 --> 00:56:59,829
tell them doors are opening Steve you

1259
00:57:05,370 --> 00:57:03,729
don't need it well I'm just I'm I hope

1260
00:57:07,469 --> 00:57:05,380
that is true because if I can raise

1261
00:57:12,329 --> 00:57:07,479
about 25 maybe 30 thousand I'm coming

1262
00:57:16,170 --> 00:57:12,339
back to DC to full time Lobby both the

1263
00:57:18,259 --> 00:57:16,180
Congress and the media reason I have

1264
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,269
raised funds is because I do not have a

1265
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:20,559
unlike many other places I do not have a

1266
00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:22,569
supporter in Washington who's capable of

1267
00:57:26,279 --> 00:57:24,609
providing living space so I'm gonna have

1268
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:26,289
to rent and rent is not cheap in

1269
00:57:31,170 --> 00:57:29,920
Washington DC and so when I get back you

1270
00:57:35,309 --> 00:57:31,180
and I will have a long conversation

1271
00:57:37,170 --> 00:57:35,319
we'll talk about a lot of things and so

1272
00:57:39,809 --> 00:57:37,180
at this point we'll call you an activist

1273
00:57:41,249 --> 00:57:39,819
I I call myself a lobbyist but mostly

1274
00:57:43,019 --> 00:57:41,259
I'm an activist I'm really an XO

1275
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,029
political activist disclose your

1276
00:57:47,580 --> 00:57:45,280
activist and a truth

1277
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:47,590
advocate all of those things and that I

1278
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:49,030
would say that that's the confess the

1279
00:57:54,090 --> 00:57:51,370
case with you as well um I think Frank

1280
00:57:56,100 --> 00:57:54,100
had actually asked Steve a question

1281
00:57:59,490 --> 00:57:56,110
about TTS say Frank what was that

1282
00:58:02,760 --> 00:57:59,500
question about the show yeah yeah okay I

1283
00:58:05,010 --> 00:58:02,770
mean let me mention one more thing to

1284
00:58:07,590 --> 00:58:05,020
chase know Prancer that I chase there's

1285
00:58:09,570 --> 00:58:07,600
something you need to know I just want

1286
00:58:12,420 --> 00:58:09,580
to mention to you the lobbying

1287
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:12,430
registration is not simply strictly

1288
00:58:17,250 --> 00:58:15,520
about money when you as you know when

1289
00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:17,260
you register lobbyists you do have to

1290
00:58:24,060 --> 00:58:21,760
make reports on a regular basis I think

1291
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:24,070
it's I think it's every six months now

1292
00:58:30,270 --> 00:58:28,690
but it could be a recorder and you have

1293
00:58:32,190 --> 00:58:30,280
to report funds that you might have

1294
00:58:34,140 --> 00:58:32,200
gotten if you report funding that is

1295
00:58:35,310 --> 00:58:34,150
coming in to fund your lobbying work and

1296
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:35,320
that's fine they need do they want to

1297
00:58:43,370 --> 00:58:38,050
know that but the principle basis for

1298
00:58:46,020 --> 00:58:43,380
the law is that the government requires

1299
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:46,030
that people that are trying to influence

1300
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:50,370
government policy by directly engaging

1301
00:58:56,370 --> 00:58:53,680
members of the Congress or members of

1302
00:58:58,020 --> 00:58:56,380
the executive branch need to be

1303
00:59:01,920 --> 00:58:58,030
registered so they know who they are

1304
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:01,930
it is not a money thing now as it

1305
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:03,970
happens in an issue like the

1306
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:06,160
extra-terrestrial issue which as we know

1307
00:59:09,540 --> 00:59:07,890
it doesn't exist there is no issue

1308
00:59:12,210 --> 00:59:09,550
there's no there there

1309
00:59:13,890 --> 00:59:12,220
right so how can you influence somebody

1310
00:59:15,660 --> 00:59:13,900
about something that doesn't even exist

1311
00:59:17,790 --> 00:59:15,670
and so this issue has been marginalized

1312
00:59:19,830 --> 00:59:17,800
to the point where they're not concerned

1313
00:59:22,530 --> 00:59:19,840
now if you were up on the hill without

1314
00:59:24,660 --> 00:59:22,540
being a registered lobbyist and you were

1315
00:59:28,020 --> 00:59:24,670
talking to members of Congress about

1316
00:59:31,950 --> 00:59:28,030
influencing a vote on whether or not to

1317
00:59:35,580 --> 00:59:31,960
sanctions say Saudi Arabia for its

1318
00:59:37,290 --> 00:59:35,590
actions regarding the assassination of

1319
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:37,300
the journalist and you weren't

1320
00:59:43,890 --> 00:59:40,890
registered you could get into hot water

1321
00:59:45,780 --> 00:59:43,900
so there's that's the reason you do it

1322
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:45,790
but this issue is still sufficiently

1323
00:59:48,540 --> 00:59:47,680
fringe that nobody cares just want to

1324
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:48,550
make sure you understand that

1325
00:59:54,990 --> 00:59:53,440
distinguish oh it's um the paperwork's

1326
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:55,000
all filled out all I have to do is hit

1327
00:59:59,220 --> 00:59:57,370
Send and wait for the acceptance but

1328
01:00:01,440 --> 00:59:59,230
wait for the right moment and pop

1329
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:01,450
that baby in and then I because I've

1330
01:00:04,620 --> 01:00:03,130
been telling people for some time now

1331
01:00:05,849 --> 01:00:04,630
that you were the second now registered

1332
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:05,859
lobbyists in the Capitol on this issue

1333
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:07,570
I've been like I've been lying to you oh

1334
01:00:12,060 --> 01:00:10,240
you haven't been lying you have it I'm

1335
01:00:14,010 --> 01:00:12,070
gonna hit and and we'll be good I

1336
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:14,020
promise it's gonna have I'm not I'm not

1337
01:00:17,099 --> 01:00:15,609
suggesting you do it or not do it I'm

1338
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:17,109
just make sure you because you got

1339
01:00:24,540 --> 01:00:20,410
plenty of things to think about but it's

1340
01:00:27,660 --> 01:00:24,550
so at some point maybe okay now I live

1341
01:00:29,609 --> 01:00:27,670
here and it's you know it very easy you

1342
01:00:32,310 --> 01:00:29,619
know we were just up there last last

1343
01:00:32,910 --> 01:00:32,320
week it's it's um and I love every bit

1344
01:00:38,490 --> 01:00:32,920
of it

1345
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:38,500
so no it it's a good idea I've talked to

1346
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:40,000
people where I've talked to staffers and

1347
01:00:43,890 --> 01:00:41,770
so forth but I I knew I couldn't

1348
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:43,900
penetrate through to the actual member I

1349
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:45,609
didn't have access to the committee I

1350
01:00:51,330 --> 01:00:47,530
just don't have that I didn't I didn't

1351
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:51,340
have the gravitas that you know someone

1352
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:53,890
like Christopher Mellon has no

1353
01:00:58,500 --> 01:00:55,810
Christopher Mellon is a major hit ER and

1354
01:01:00,359 --> 01:00:58,510
you're gonna talk to him I'm just a I'm

1355
01:01:01,410 --> 01:01:00,369
just a crazy UFO lobbyist out here

1356
01:01:03,930 --> 01:01:01,420
trying to represent the people's

1357
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:03,940
interest and as you know the people's

1358
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:05,770
interest is the last thing on the minds

1359
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:08,400
of just about everybody in Washington

1360
01:01:13,859 --> 01:01:11,920
absolutely it's absolutely about keeping

1361
01:01:17,490 --> 01:01:13,869
their jobs and you know and the reason

1362
01:01:20,609 --> 01:01:17,500
that this topics even made it through

1363
01:01:22,890 --> 01:01:20,619
the doors is because they talk as though

1364
01:01:25,410 --> 01:01:22,900
it's a threat and that is the only way

1365
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:25,420
this is ever going to happen you know

1366
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:27,970
not that I believe or know or have ever

1367
01:01:31,980 --> 01:01:30,010
heard anyone from to the stars Academy

1368
01:01:35,340 --> 01:01:31,990
say this is all bad and we're expecting

1369
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:35,350
an invasion and this is horrible you

1370
01:01:42,780 --> 01:01:38,010
know this is something that had to be

1371
01:01:45,150 --> 01:01:42,790
put put into this discussion exactly

1372
01:01:48,900 --> 01:01:45,160
this way or they're not going to get in

1373
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:48,910
and they understand do that and they

1374
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:51,730
they put this out perfectly it's it's

1375
01:01:57,390 --> 01:01:55,359
amazing let me let me clarify that a

1376
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:57,400
little bit for you because there is a

1377
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:00,400
lot of confusion and I think even some

1378
01:02:05,730 --> 01:02:02,770
concern on the part of the public as

1379
01:02:08,580 --> 01:02:05,740
they watch this going forward there was

1380
01:02:12,750 --> 01:02:08,590
a time a long long time ago in a galaxy

1381
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:12,760
far away when if you had a job

1382
01:02:18,090 --> 01:02:15,930
and you weren't a you know you weren't a

1383
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:18,100
what we say a craftsman a working man

1384
01:02:21,930 --> 01:02:20,410
working person a brigadier job office

1385
01:02:24,510 --> 01:02:21,940
job you you went in if you had a coat to

1386
01:02:26,940 --> 01:02:24,520
tie you put on a nice nice coat in the

1387
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:26,950
tie decent slacks nice dress you went in

1388
01:02:32,220 --> 01:02:28,570
and you did that you had to do that in

1389
01:02:35,850 --> 01:02:32,230
order to to work there right the threat

1390
01:02:38,850 --> 01:02:35,860
thing is kind of like that it's it's the

1391
01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:38,860
coat and tie you have to put on to

1392
01:02:47,540 --> 01:02:41,710
engage in a into some weather the public

1393
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:47,550
setting so in the public arena if you're

1394
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:49,690
if in any way you're going to engage

1395
01:02:54,060 --> 01:02:52,240
this issue in a public fashion that coat

1396
01:02:56,910 --> 01:02:54,070
and tie that threat thing is helpful to

1397
01:03:00,780 --> 01:02:56,920
you it's not necessary on a person

1398
01:03:02,850 --> 01:03:00,790
purely private basis in other words if

1399
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:02,860
I'm if I'm if I'm the Christopher Mellon

1400
01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:04,210
and I want to go talk to a committee

1401
01:03:07,980 --> 01:03:06,910
chair I don't need to call them up and

1402
01:03:10,290 --> 01:03:07,990
say I need to talk to you about this

1403
01:03:11,790 --> 01:03:10,300
issue because you know the ETS are

1404
01:03:13,350 --> 01:03:11,800
probably gonna invade within the next

1405
01:03:17,010 --> 01:03:13,360
six months and we're all gonna be slaves

1406
01:03:19,230 --> 01:03:17,020
no you could say look we need to start

1407
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:19,240
engaging this issue and what have you

1408
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:21,490
there's nitric Congress to get involved

1409
01:03:27,090 --> 01:03:22,720
he doesn't have to bring up threat

1410
01:03:30,540 --> 01:03:27,100
publicly it's a different matter point

1411
01:03:35,300 --> 01:03:30,550
there's the private conversations they

1412
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:39,210
private you know but they're they're

1413
01:03:45,740 --> 01:03:41,650
done with that I they want this to come

1414
01:03:49,860 --> 01:03:45,750
out well the threat thing is still there

1415
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:49,870
it is it was it was it was emphasized it

1416
01:03:55,650 --> 01:03:52,690
was emphasized repeatedly in the first

1417
01:03:57,590 --> 01:03:55,660
and second episodes of unidentified I

1418
01:04:01,640 --> 01:03:57,600
think a little bit in the third episode

1419
01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:01,650
because again this is the very public

1420
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:03,520
representation of the to the stars

1421
01:04:08,430 --> 01:04:06,490
Academy's agenda in to millions of

1422
01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:08,440
people on History Channel it'll be

1423
01:04:11,610 --> 01:04:10,480
played and replayed and replayed forgot

1424
01:04:15,030 --> 01:04:11,620
the rest of the year you know an HD

1425
01:04:18,020 --> 01:04:15,040
channel works and so the the threat

1426
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:18,030
thing I understand it in the sense that

1427
01:04:21,210 --> 01:04:20,050
the reason they had to call it the

1428
01:04:23,070 --> 01:04:21,220
advanced aerospace through an

1429
01:04:24,300 --> 01:04:23,080
identification program it's because a

1430
01:04:26,089 --> 01:04:24,310
lot of people are pending on we're gonna

1431
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:26,099
know about it I mean it wasn't it might

1432
01:04:29,569 --> 01:04:27,839
relatively a secret to the rest of the

1433
01:04:30,979 --> 01:04:29,579
world but a lot of people the Pentagon

1434
01:04:37,630 --> 01:04:30,989
wouldn't know there was this program and

1435
01:04:42,589 --> 01:04:37,640
if it was the the advanced integration

1436
01:04:44,900 --> 01:04:42,599
extraterrestrial what's the word yeah

1437
01:04:46,759 --> 01:04:44,910
welcoming program right they would go

1438
01:04:48,229 --> 01:04:46,769
what the hell are you doing this is the

1439
01:04:50,420 --> 01:04:48,239
Pentagon we don't do that stuff and so

1440
01:04:54,019 --> 01:04:50,430
they had to call it that if only just to

1441
01:04:56,839 --> 01:04:54,029
do not rankle peoples of the feathers or

1442
01:04:59,120 --> 01:04:56,849
ruffle their feathers and even now as

1443
01:05:01,609 --> 01:04:59,130
they come forward they they know that

1444
01:05:04,239 --> 01:05:01,619
that threat makes it very difficult the

1445
01:05:05,809 --> 01:05:04,249
fact that one one can say there is a

1446
01:05:07,059 --> 01:05:05,819
anytime you're dealing with something

1447
01:05:10,700 --> 01:05:07,069
like this is a potential threat

1448
01:05:11,660 --> 01:05:10,710
absolutely if if the ETS wanted to be do

1449
01:05:13,339 --> 01:05:11,670
something terrible they could do it

1450
01:05:16,940 --> 01:05:13,349
tomorrow nothing stopping them so there

1451
01:05:18,410 --> 01:05:16,950
is an implied potential threat and and

1452
01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:18,420
that's the national security the highest

1453
01:05:21,950 --> 01:05:20,160
level what could be more national

1454
01:05:24,259 --> 01:05:21,960
security than that tampering with their

1455
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:24,269
nuclear missiles so that makes it very

1456
01:05:30,729 --> 01:05:25,920
difficult for the political media and

1457
01:05:33,859 --> 01:05:30,739
the politicians to just toss it off it's

1458
01:05:35,989 --> 01:05:33,869
no big deal forget about it ah oh no in

1459
01:05:38,359 --> 01:05:35,999
national security so they keep that in

1460
01:05:42,019 --> 01:05:38,369
there to make it more difficult for the

1461
01:05:44,059 --> 01:05:42,029
politicians to stay back but ultimately

1462
01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:44,069
what will happen is as the thing gets

1463
01:05:48,140 --> 01:05:46,079
more embraced I think the threat thing

1464
01:05:52,039 --> 01:05:48,150
will fade out and it's sort of like this

1465
01:05:53,420 --> 01:05:52,049
process now let's be clear and it may be

1466
01:05:56,269 --> 01:05:53,430
I don't know if you agree with me or not

1467
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:56,279
chase but if for some reason this threat

1468
01:06:00,410 --> 01:05:59,039
thing starts escalating as we get more

1469
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:00,420
revelations more witnesses coming

1470
01:06:03,890 --> 01:06:01,890
forward and suddenly you start talking

1471
01:06:06,589 --> 01:06:03,900
more and more seriously about yeah

1472
01:06:09,620 --> 01:06:06,599
threat threat threat then there's going

1473
01:06:12,170 --> 01:06:09,630
to be pushback from me because that's

1474
01:06:14,450 --> 01:06:12,180
the one thing that many of the people in

1475
01:06:17,450 --> 01:06:14,460
the field are very concerned about and

1476
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:17,460
that is that and because and we wouldn't

1477
01:06:22,910 --> 01:06:19,200
be if there wasn't a very long history

1478
01:06:26,690 --> 01:06:22,920
of this going way back to like you know

1479
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:26,700
ancient aliens right that we have a we

1480
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:28,559
have a permanent war economy in a vast

1481
01:06:33,499 --> 01:06:30,960
military intelligence infrastructure

1482
01:06:36,469 --> 01:06:33,509
that is costing us around 1.2 trillion

1483
01:06:38,900 --> 01:06:36,479
dollars a year and there is just there

1484
01:06:40,010 --> 01:06:38,910
is a lot of temptation there for people

1485
01:06:44,450 --> 01:06:40,020
inside to go

1486
01:06:46,010 --> 01:06:44,460
boy could we cash in on a if we could

1487
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:46,020
convince the American public there was a

1488
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:49,920
real threat and just like we cash we

1489
01:06:53,060 --> 01:06:51,570
could really get some American public on

1490
01:06:54,980 --> 01:06:53,070
board if we said there was nuclear

1491
01:06:57,140 --> 01:06:54,990
weapons or weapons of mass destruction

1492
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:57,150
in Iraq if they played that game with

1493
01:07:01,370 --> 01:06:59,520
this issue I'm gonna stand in front of a

1494
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:01,380
Pentagon and scream my bloody head off

1495
01:07:05,540 --> 01:07:03,690
unless they could prove it I mean

1496
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:05,550
absolutely prove it beyond any

1497
01:07:09,650 --> 01:07:07,530
reasonable doubt trying to turn this

1498
01:07:12,650 --> 01:07:09,660
into a true threat as part of our

1499
01:07:14,540 --> 01:07:12,660
national policies and how we deal with

1500
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:14,550
it would would be at this point in my

1501
01:07:20,810 --> 01:07:17,210
view probably the single most

1502
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:20,820
destructive mistake that any government

1503
01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:23,490
will have made at any time past present

1504
01:07:28,490 --> 01:07:26,940
I would be at catastrophe if they Steve

1505
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:28,500
can you go into some detail as to why

1506
01:07:37,130 --> 01:07:31,920
that is why we why you feel that way

1507
01:07:38,990 --> 01:07:37,140
yeah you know it's like they lied to us

1508
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:39,000
about the weapons of mass destruction in

1509
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:41,250
Iraq so we were able to go in and

1510
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:42,570
destroy a rock

1511
01:07:50,570 --> 01:07:47,970
well Iraq didn't have a chance it had no

1512
01:07:53,150 --> 01:07:50,580
chance the war was over the day it

1513
01:07:55,220 --> 01:07:53,160
started and a couple hundred thousand

1514
01:07:56,450 --> 01:07:55,230
people died Garland total number since

1515
01:07:59,240 --> 01:07:56,460
then counting all the sanction it's

1516
01:08:00,320 --> 01:07:59,250
probably a million bayonet now they want

1517
01:08:01,610 --> 01:08:00,330
us to play the same game with

1518
01:08:04,940 --> 01:08:01,620
extraterrestrials who have interstellar

1519
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:04,950
travel all right meaning let's let's

1520
01:08:08,510 --> 01:08:06,960
convince the American people we have to

1521
01:08:10,130 --> 01:08:08,520
spend trillions of dollars in order to

1522
01:08:13,610 --> 01:08:10,140
in order to defend us against goods

1523
01:08:15,890 --> 01:08:13,620
equals extraterrestrials well first of

1524
01:08:17,630 --> 01:08:15,900
all I don't think it would happen but if

1525
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:17,640
we actually did do this and start it I

1526
01:08:21,500 --> 01:08:19,650
don't know firing and everything that

1527
01:08:22,970 --> 01:08:21,510
every saucer we saw the

1528
01:08:24,590 --> 01:08:22,980
extraterrestrials might get if I decide

1529
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:24,600
to go okay fine that's the way you want

1530
01:08:29,870 --> 01:08:26,880
to be and boom we returned it to were

1531
01:08:31,789 --> 01:08:29,880
turned into dust they could destroy our

1532
01:08:33,079 --> 01:08:31,799
planet any time they want to if anybody

1533
01:08:35,150 --> 01:08:33,089
wants to get into the physics of that

1534
01:08:38,150 --> 01:08:35,160
I'm happy to discuss it but just take my

1535
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:38,160
word for it we have zero chance against

1536
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:40,290
extraterrestrials none we have less

1537
01:08:46,490 --> 01:08:44,010
chance against extraterrestrials then a

1538
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:46,500
kindergarten class with every kid

1539
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:48,690
holding a Glock would have against the

1540
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:51,690
army the US Army all right we have no

1541
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:53,730
chance and so that on its face

1542
01:08:58,730 --> 01:08:57,330
is is incredibly stupid and then the

1543
01:09:00,650 --> 01:08:58,740
second thing is we're gonna we're gonna

1544
01:09:03,740 --> 01:09:00,660
send hundreds of billions of dollars

1545
01:09:06,590 --> 01:09:03,750
down a black hole only to service the

1546
01:09:08,150 --> 01:09:06,600
permanent war economy at a point when we

1547
01:09:09,650 --> 01:09:08,160
are down twenty two trillion dollars in

1548
01:09:11,180 --> 01:09:09,660
debt and the world is facing enough

1549
01:09:14,180 --> 01:09:11,190
crisis to keep us busy for the rest of

1550
01:09:17,330 --> 01:09:14,190
the century so yeah on a scale of one to

1551
01:09:19,130 --> 01:09:17,340
ten that's a ten of stupidity stupid

1552
01:09:22,810 --> 01:09:19,140
government policies based upon a ten

1553
01:09:31,070 --> 01:09:22,820
thousand year history of war war war as

1554
01:09:32,540 --> 01:09:31,080
the alternative to diplomacy yes you

1555
01:09:35,690 --> 01:09:32,550
didn't actually I wanted to interject

1556
01:09:37,370 --> 01:09:35,700
with a question for a chase chase I have

1557
01:09:38,330 --> 01:09:37,380
a series of questions to ask you I'm

1558
01:09:39,650 --> 01:09:38,340
gonna go ahead and start with the

1559
01:09:42,050 --> 01:09:39,660
shortest one from Stacey Wright

1560
01:09:44,270 --> 01:09:42,060
Assistant Director of Phoenix MUFON she

1561
01:09:46,730 --> 01:09:44,280
asks what can the local UFO groups do to

1562
01:09:51,260 --> 01:09:46,740
help them out meaning lobbyists yourself

1563
01:09:54,110 --> 01:09:51,270
and Steve my first answer would be call

1564
01:09:56,810 --> 01:09:54,120
your Congress and Senators call them and

1565
01:10:00,410 --> 01:09:56,820
you know demanded that they listen and

1566
01:10:02,810 --> 01:10:00,420
and and focus in and become part of that

1567
01:10:04,730 --> 01:10:02,820
discussion because it does especially

1568
01:10:09,620 --> 01:10:04,740
where they come from you know with

1569
01:10:11,930 --> 01:10:09,630
Phoenix has a huge UFO legacy of the

1570
01:10:15,230 --> 01:10:11,940
Phoenix lights it would it's now time

1571
01:10:19,010 --> 01:10:15,240
that they can effectively call and and

1572
01:10:23,540 --> 01:10:19,020
start demanding action okay I have

1573
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:23,550
another one from Allah I apologize sorry

1574
01:10:30,140 --> 01:10:27,110
go ahead okay let me get more pragmatic

1575
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:30,150
what can all the looking the people out

1576
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:31,890
there that are interested in this

1577
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:34,290
subject I've been following it they see

1578
01:10:40,700 --> 01:10:36,690
something happen and what what what can

1579
01:10:42,050 --> 01:10:40,710
they do to help okay not only me or Jace

1580
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:42,060
how about themselves how about the

1581
01:10:47,810 --> 01:10:45,210
country yes feel free to call your

1582
01:10:49,010 --> 01:10:47,820
Congress people anytime you want set up

1583
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:49,020
letters send them emails whatever they

1584
01:10:53,150 --> 01:10:51,840
got on their website and let them know

1585
01:10:56,990 --> 01:10:53,160
you're following this is important fine

1586
01:10:58,820 --> 01:10:57,000
do it plenty that's fine here's what you

1587
01:11:00,980 --> 01:10:58,830
really need to do now I know some people

1588
01:11:03,020 --> 01:11:00,990
are gonna kind of gonna criticize me for

1589
01:11:06,220 --> 01:11:03,030
this it's okay it's alright

1590
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:06,230
I'm a big boy join move on

1591
01:11:16,300 --> 01:11:11,210
all right join MUFON why our ability to

1592
01:11:17,710 --> 01:11:16,310
have voice in the post disclosure world

1593
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:17,720
when the world is going to change in

1594
01:11:22,350 --> 01:11:19,610
ways we can't even imagine when the

1595
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:22,360
opportunity to modify reform and fix

1596
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:25,250
some of them the infrastructure and

1597
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:26,690
nonsense of the policies that we have

1598
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:28,400
created is going to be never greater

1599
01:11:32,140 --> 01:11:30,080
than that it will be the greatest that's

1600
01:11:34,450 --> 01:11:32,150
ever been it's going to be dependent

1601
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:34,460
upon the degree to which we have

1602
01:11:38,140 --> 01:11:36,890
structure now we don't have much

1603
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:38,150
structure because we don't have any

1604
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:38,570
money

1605
01:11:42,700 --> 01:11:41,120
you can't build structure with 50 cents

1606
01:11:44,350 --> 01:11:42,710
or a couple of bucks there have been a

1607
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:44,360
number of organizations over the years

1608
01:11:50,830 --> 01:11:46,490
they come and then they've gone NICAP

1609
01:11:52,990 --> 01:11:50,840
destroyed by the CIA you [\h__\h] you folks

1610
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:53,000
eventually basically just becomes an

1611
01:11:58,450 --> 01:11:54,890
archive but the one that's been with us

1612
01:12:00,340 --> 01:11:58,460
now since 1969 is MUFON it's had its ups

1613
01:12:02,020 --> 01:12:00,350
aside its downs it's made mistakes the

1614
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:02,030
point is it is the best-known large

1615
01:12:06,490 --> 01:12:04,370
organization of people directly to

1616
01:12:08,500 --> 01:12:06,500
interested and engaging this issue in

1617
01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:08,510
the world and it's also international

1618
01:12:16,900 --> 01:12:13,490
alright so if people started joining it

1619
01:12:19,780 --> 01:12:16,910
by the tens of thousands it would have

1620
01:12:21,610 --> 01:12:19,790
the resources and the database and the

1621
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:21,620
email list that in the post disclosure

1622
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:24,170
world it could be the people we could

1623
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:25,760
through that organization try to

1624
01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:28,130
influence government policy without that

1625
01:12:31,180 --> 01:12:29,510
hey what are you gonna continue sending

1626
01:12:32,440 --> 01:12:31,190
letters to your Congressman and the post

1627
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:32,450
disclosure world for the next 20 years

1628
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:34,610
no now there will be a lot of groups

1629
01:12:38,410 --> 01:12:35,930
that'll form right after disclosure

1630
01:12:40,270 --> 01:12:38,420
everybody's gonna jump in big money is

1631
01:12:41,980 --> 01:12:40,280
gonna form groups overnight right oh

1632
01:12:44,490 --> 01:12:41,990
yeah this is it join this we're onboard

1633
01:12:48,460 --> 01:12:44,500
throw money on it have all kinds of

1634
01:12:49,930 --> 01:12:48,470
brick and mortar structured and public

1635
01:12:53,230 --> 01:12:49,940
relations people all that will kind of

1636
01:12:55,390 --> 01:12:53,240
happen but MUFON has been in this in 69

1637
01:12:57,130 --> 01:12:55,400
it has paid its dues it is going through

1638
01:13:00,310 --> 01:12:57,140
thick and thin and has put up with hell

1639
01:13:04,180 --> 01:13:00,320
and it's so it's got a track record here

1640
01:13:06,250 --> 01:13:04,190
and we need to support that we need to

1641
01:13:08,440 --> 01:13:06,260
support those that have done this and

1642
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:08,450
not just jump and forget about them and

1643
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:10,400
jump on board the next billionaires

1644
01:13:14,140 --> 01:13:12,170
project in the post disclosure world as

1645
01:13:16,180 --> 01:13:14,150
everybody tries to cash in on this which

1646
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:16,190
they will in every way possible post

1647
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:18,560
disclosure right you want to go by under

1648
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:19,250
where it's going

1649
01:13:22,690 --> 01:13:21,290
ets on it alrights gonna have alien

1650
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:22,700
faces on it because that's how you're

1651
01:13:27,100 --> 01:13:25,250
gonna sell underware so you want to do

1652
01:13:30,130 --> 01:13:27,110
something come together how can you come

1653
01:13:33,070 --> 01:13:30,140
together sure you you well how can you

1654
01:13:34,210 --> 01:13:33,080
do it you gonna join something and right

1655
01:13:35,740 --> 01:13:34,220
now that's it

1656
01:13:37,300 --> 01:13:35,750
to me that's the one organization that

1657
01:13:39,610 --> 01:13:37,310
really has the ability to come together

1658
01:13:41,290 --> 01:13:39,620
and quickly and I'm sure that as the as

1659
01:13:44,140 --> 01:13:41,300
the resources increase in memberships

1660
01:13:46,270 --> 01:13:44,150
increased that issues that people have

1661
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:46,280
with it can be fixed and that the

1662
01:13:50,770 --> 01:13:48,080
organization would be the best it can be

1663
01:13:52,420 --> 01:13:50,780
that's my advice for those out there pre

1664
01:13:53,230 --> 01:13:52,430
disclosure heading towards the

1665
01:13:57,580 --> 01:13:53,240
disclosure event

1666
01:14:00,070 --> 01:13:57,590
okay Alejandro Rojas asked where you all

1667
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:00,080
think this is going with TTS a which

1668
01:14:03,450 --> 01:14:01,610
Steve you may have already addressed

1669
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:03,460
that but we'd like to hear how chase

1670
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:06,050
takes on that perspective regarding that

1671
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:08,090
question and what has made them so

1672
01:14:12,670 --> 01:14:10,010
effective at getting the attention of

1673
01:14:14,260 --> 01:14:12,680
lawmakers so I'm gonna read that again

1674
01:14:16,210 --> 01:14:14,270
chase where do you think this is all

1675
01:14:18,610 --> 01:14:16,220
going with TTS a regarding your lobbying

1676
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:18,620
efforts urine Steve's lobbying efforts

1677
01:14:23,980 --> 01:14:22,250
and also what has made you all so

1678
01:14:29,620 --> 01:14:23,990
effective at getting the attention of

1679
01:14:34,030 --> 01:14:29,630
lawmakers honestly to the stars really

1680
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:34,040
opened up a lot of the discussion and

1681
01:14:42,060 --> 01:14:36,610
the people willing to listen because of

1682
01:14:44,980 --> 01:14:42,070
movement and activist type pushing from

1683
01:14:47,890 --> 01:14:44,990
former Senator Reid and and some of the

1684
01:14:50,740 --> 01:14:47,900
others that are known on the hill such

1685
01:14:52,210 --> 01:14:50,750
as Chris Mullin and how pood off and you

1686
01:14:58,300 --> 01:14:52,220
know some of the names so first they

1687
01:14:59,770 --> 01:14:58,310
organized a group of top people that the

1688
01:15:00,970 --> 01:14:59,780
government is comfortable with because

1689
01:15:03,610 --> 01:15:00,980
they've trained them and worked with

1690
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:03,620
them many many years decades even so

1691
01:15:12,460 --> 01:15:08,050
this is something that's to me it was

1692
01:15:15,730 --> 01:15:12,470
orchestrated perfectly for bringing this

1693
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:15,740
out as far as the lobbying from Steve

1694
01:15:20,110 --> 01:15:18,290
and I it really is you know getting to

1695
01:15:23,290 --> 01:15:20,120
the right people at the right time and

1696
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:23,300
these doors are open we're talking two

1697
01:15:28,540 --> 01:15:25,010
subcommittees a threat assessment

1698
01:15:30,810 --> 01:15:28,550
subcommittee when you first get here as

1699
01:15:33,190 --> 01:15:30,820
a lobbyist I didn't have Steve with me

1700
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:33,200
unfortunately so I you know

1701
01:15:38,020 --> 01:15:35,210
taking a couple bumps and wasted my time

1702
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:38,030
in a few areas such as trying to reach

1703
01:15:43,750 --> 01:15:41,330
the Office of Science and Technology you

1704
01:15:46,450 --> 01:15:43,760
think that that would be you know a good

1705
01:15:48,220 --> 01:15:46,460
place to start connecting and having a

1706
01:15:49,660 --> 01:15:48,230
relationship of information they can

1707
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:49,670
hook you up tell you where to go

1708
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:53,360
not even close it's not how DC works so

1709
01:15:58,060 --> 01:15:55,970
you've really spent probably the first

1710
01:16:00,850 --> 01:15:58,070
year just getting this down figuring it

1711
01:16:05,140 --> 01:16:00,860
out how do we get to some of this and

1712
01:16:06,940 --> 01:16:05,150
you also have to know even have a

1713
01:16:09,220 --> 01:16:06,950
subcommittee's work and how they get

1714
01:16:11,940 --> 01:16:09,230
their information so when they're

1715
01:16:15,130 --> 01:16:11,950
getting their information from joint

1716
01:16:17,380 --> 01:16:15,140
command it's not just the Department of

1717
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:17,390
the Navy it's not just the minutes video

1718
01:16:23,190 --> 01:16:19,280
and stuff we have to remember there's

1719
01:16:27,940 --> 01:16:23,200
even you know big big influential

1720
01:16:30,270 --> 01:16:27,950
entities such as ditra right here in DC

1721
01:16:35,020 --> 01:16:30,280
which is defense Threat Reduction agency

1722
01:16:36,910 --> 01:16:35,030
so there's all these combined so by you

1723
01:16:41,740 --> 01:16:36,920
know really being able to work some of

1724
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:41,750
your military contacts working with you

1725
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:43,520
know kind of that momentum that to the

1726
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:45,770
Stars has opened up but you really have

1727
01:16:52,810 --> 01:16:47,570
to have the right information the first

1728
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:52,820
time you say UFOs or aliens or you know

1729
01:16:58,960 --> 01:16:55,850
things like that they shut down and I

1730
01:17:00,940 --> 01:16:58,970
saw that at the citizens hearing for

1731
01:17:05,730 --> 01:17:00,950
disclosure and I have to I have to say

1732
01:17:08,490 --> 01:17:05,740
that I walked in you know pretty pretty

1733
01:17:11,650 --> 01:17:08,500
excited to be there and I left

1734
01:17:14,380 --> 01:17:11,660
completely changed and I saw where

1735
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:14,390
exactly this had to go Steve started all

1736
01:17:20,860 --> 01:17:19,040
of this all of it and I thought it was

1737
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:20,870
probably one of the most effective

1738
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:22,970
things that have ever been done in our

1739
01:17:29,620 --> 01:17:26,330
field up to that point and I saw the

1740
01:17:34,150 --> 01:17:29,630
successes and this is why we have a to

1741
01:17:36,580 --> 01:17:34,160
the Stars today this is why we have the

1742
01:17:38,830 --> 01:17:36,590
Oh doors opening we had professional

1743
01:17:42,100 --> 01:17:38,840
people professional researchers and

1744
01:17:45,100 --> 01:17:42,110
investigators talking to people that

1745
01:17:47,410 --> 01:17:45,110
were very polite on Monday they were

1746
01:17:49,510 --> 01:17:47,420
paid well and they should have been

1747
01:17:51,879 --> 01:17:49,520
but they were being very polite and by

1748
01:17:54,669 --> 01:17:51,889
Wednesday they got it by Friday they

1749
01:17:57,010 --> 01:17:54,679
were helping many amazing good things

1750
01:17:59,800 --> 01:17:57,020
happen especially to one of our veterans

1751
01:18:01,660 --> 01:17:59,810
who deserved the kind of assistance he

1752
01:18:03,970 --> 01:18:01,670
got which is now spilling over to many

1753
01:18:05,919 --> 01:18:03,980
others so you know what happened at that

1754
01:18:07,629 --> 01:18:05,929
Citizen hearing about John burrows from

1755
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:07,639
the Rendlesham case their correction I

1756
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:10,489
absolutely am yes the fact that these

1757
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:12,800
guys that work these top-secret programs

1758
01:18:16,930 --> 01:18:14,690
are working to these top-secret and I

1759
01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:16,940
have children who respect Ops so you

1760
01:18:19,959 --> 01:18:18,320
know when they're in these situations

1761
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:19,969
and something happens to them long-term

1762
01:18:25,780 --> 01:18:22,610
because of that and because it's

1763
01:18:27,970 --> 01:18:25,790
classified it didn't happen bullcrap

1764
01:18:28,780 --> 01:18:27,980
these are veterans oh don't even get me

1765
01:18:31,330 --> 01:18:28,790
started on that one

1766
01:18:35,770 --> 01:18:31,340
but but I don't want to digress a little

1767
01:18:39,180 --> 01:18:35,780
but honestly Steve to me has handed UFOs

1768
01:18:42,370 --> 01:18:39,190
the eight UFO field one of our best

1769
01:18:45,399 --> 01:18:42,380
foundations I think here ISA mented our

1770
01:18:47,350 --> 01:18:45,409
next level and raised the bar and and I

1771
01:18:49,390 --> 01:18:47,360
believe that in cooperation would to the

1772
01:18:51,310 --> 01:18:49,400
Stars Kadim II that this is just going

1773
01:18:54,610 --> 01:18:51,320
to go forward I can't wait for Steve to

1774
01:18:58,209 --> 01:18:54,620
get here we've got work to do you know

1775
01:19:00,850 --> 01:18:58,219
it's really I don't agree with the

1776
01:19:03,850 --> 01:19:00,860
joining other organizations as much as I

1777
01:19:07,300 --> 01:19:03,860
agree with joining in and helping you

1778
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:07,310
Steve get here well thank you chase

1779
01:19:13,300 --> 01:19:08,810
you're officially hired as my public

1780
01:19:15,820 --> 01:19:13,310
relations person I have been saying this

1781
01:19:17,860 --> 01:19:15,830
for years I was completely changed

1782
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:17,870
walking out of there I knew you had just

1783
01:19:22,930 --> 01:19:20,210
raised the bar and I had to get better I

1784
01:19:25,689 --> 01:19:22,940
had to be a better investigator I had to

1785
01:19:27,340 --> 01:19:25,699
be you know specialized in evidence

1786
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:27,350
because that's something I knew that

1787
01:19:31,780 --> 01:19:29,690
this is you know we have a 10,000

1788
01:19:33,220 --> 01:19:31,790
stories hundreds and thousands of

1789
01:19:36,129 --> 01:19:33,230
reports all over the world

1790
01:19:39,399 --> 01:19:36,139
what we need is evidence and we need the

1791
01:19:41,620 --> 01:19:39,409
right witnesses that the you know aren't

1792
01:19:43,660 --> 01:19:41,630
lawmakers are comfortable with they know

1793
01:19:46,450 --> 01:19:43,670
these guys so when you're presenting a

1794
01:19:49,060 --> 01:19:46,460
military member or a pilot they know

1795
01:19:54,700 --> 01:19:49,070
what their training is especially right

1796
01:19:56,919 --> 01:19:54,710
through it's just they know these so I I

1797
01:19:59,229 --> 01:19:56,929
just thought it was the first time that

1798
01:20:00,740 --> 01:19:59,239
in a long time that ufology was given a

1799
01:20:03,620 --> 01:20:00,750
brand new foundation

1800
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:03,630
to stand on and it raised the bar to the

1801
01:20:08,330 --> 01:20:05,130
point where some people didn't make it

1802
01:20:12,430 --> 01:20:08,340
is saying I wanted to do that for 11

1803
01:20:17,390 --> 01:20:12,440
years and the money to do it turned up I

1804
01:20:19,130 --> 01:20:17,400
almost have nowhere and we get it and I

1805
01:20:20,570 --> 01:20:19,140
in a citizen hearing as far as I was

1806
01:20:22,250 --> 01:20:20,580
concerned was the most important event

1807
01:20:25,220 --> 01:20:22,260
in the history of the disclosure process

1808
01:20:27,140 --> 01:20:25,230
up to that date now that has been

1809
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:27,150
supplanted by the launching of it to the

1810
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:28,800
Stars Academy that is now the most

1811
01:20:32,450 --> 01:20:30,210
important event in the history of the

1812
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:32,460
disclosure process here's the lobbying

1813
01:20:39,010 --> 01:20:34,560
let's I'm gonna make a very key point

1814
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:39,020
here yet one of the unfortunate things

1815
01:20:42,830 --> 01:20:41,250
unfortunate one of the challenges that I

1816
01:20:46,190 --> 01:20:42,840
had when I enter the field of ninety-six

1817
01:20:51,380 --> 01:20:46,200
and registers a lobbyist was by 96 the

1818
01:20:53,870 --> 01:20:51,390
Congress was starting to descend into it

1819
01:20:55,310 --> 01:20:53,880
was it was it was going over to the dark

1820
01:20:57,920 --> 01:20:55,320
side all right

1821
01:21:02,060 --> 01:20:57,930
and and becoming increasingly

1822
01:21:06,830 --> 01:21:02,070
dysfunctional ultimately became like a

1823
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:06,840
giant block of cement you could walk up

1824
01:21:10,610 --> 01:21:08,490
to it and tap it that's about all you

1825
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:10,620
can do you just the only way you had to

1826
01:21:13,130 --> 01:21:12,000
have money you had you know there was

1827
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:13,140
you had to have huge amounts of money

1828
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:14,490
that would be your sledgehammer and then

1829
01:21:18,380 --> 01:21:16,320
you could break through and then they'd

1830
01:21:19,670 --> 01:21:18,390
listen to you and then they would do

1831
01:21:21,260 --> 01:21:19,680
anything anyways the Congress just

1832
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:21,270
collapsed it is now a fully

1833
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:24,930
dysfunctional of a part of our

1834
01:21:29,330 --> 01:21:27,570
government and it needs to fix itself

1835
01:21:31,610 --> 01:21:29,340
pretty damn quickly or there will be

1836
01:21:33,050 --> 01:21:31,620
consequences so I knew that that was

1837
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:33,060
gonna be tough so I concentrated on

1838
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:35,760
lobbying the political media which is

1839
01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:37,770
really where a lot of the stuff really

1840
01:21:40,850 --> 01:21:39,600
happens not necessarily

1841
01:21:44,630 --> 01:21:40,860
Ian's economist Congress kind of

1842
01:21:46,940 --> 01:21:44,640
finishes it off but issues they begin

1843
01:21:48,740 --> 01:21:46,950
they flourish in the political media and

1844
01:21:50,690 --> 01:21:48,750
I had I had a lot of success there

1845
01:21:53,330 --> 01:21:50,700
generated huge numbers of articles I

1846
01:21:55,060 --> 01:21:53,340
know how many there's been over 400 just

1847
01:21:58,730 --> 01:21:55,070
written it a reference to what I do and

1848
01:22:00,590 --> 01:21:58,740
PRG over 400 I every all the big papers

1849
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:00,600
oh okay fine and then generate other

1850
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:02,370
stuff so that that's that but that's

1851
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:04,410
that's not the same thing as is getting

1852
01:22:07,970 --> 01:22:05,850
government to specifically do what you

1853
01:22:12,230 --> 01:22:07,980
want it to do now now things have

1854
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:12,240
changed and we have a new group lobbying

1855
01:22:17,540 --> 01:22:13,360
Congress

1856
01:22:20,610 --> 01:22:17,550
but they're not some individual unpaid

1857
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:20,620
citizen-science citizen activists they

1858
01:22:27,090 --> 01:22:24,490
are insiders with substantial resumes

1859
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:27,100
and careers they are involved in a

1860
01:22:32,010 --> 01:22:29,920
program which is implicitly backed by

1861
01:22:34,830 --> 01:22:32,020
the Department of Defense implicitly

1862
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:34,840
backed by the department defense they're

1863
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:37,210
in a whole nother world I'm the I'm not

1864
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:38,410
in that world because I spent the first

1865
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:40,210
s in my life mostly just playing tennis

1866
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:42,010
and screwing around and so I don't have

1867
01:22:46,050 --> 01:22:43,450
that resume okay no problem

1868
01:22:47,370 --> 01:22:46,060
and they're there meeting with people on

1869
01:22:48,900 --> 01:22:47,380
the hill and they're gonna continue to

1870
01:22:51,390 --> 01:22:48,910
do that in the end there and that is

1871
01:22:53,340 --> 01:22:51,400
lobbying and and maybe somebody will

1872
01:22:54,990 --> 01:22:53,350
retina meet maybe they may very well

1873
01:22:56,810 --> 01:22:55,000
register if they haven't already through

1874
01:22:59,310 --> 01:22:56,820
the Stars Academy as a lobbyist

1875
01:23:01,260 --> 01:22:59,320
organization so that they or don't you

1876
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:01,270
know upset anybody but they're gonna be

1877
01:23:06,540 --> 01:23:04,210
lobbying but let's be clear they are

1878
01:23:11,220 --> 01:23:06,550
lobbying on behalf of the military

1879
01:23:14,010 --> 01:23:11,230
intelligence complex the TTS a was if

1880
01:23:16,230 --> 01:23:14,020
among other things a public relations

1881
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:16,240
maneuver by the military intelligence

1882
01:23:20,430 --> 01:23:18,610
complex now they're not gonna admit this

1883
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:20,440
and if they want to challenge me on this

1884
01:23:25,410 --> 01:23:22,690
that's okay well they can persuade me oh

1885
01:23:28,140 --> 01:23:25,420
no no it's not the case well I'll speak

1886
01:23:29,460 --> 01:23:28,150
speak differently but the military

1887
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:29,470
intelligence as complex as no and

1888
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:30,880
eventually disclosure was going to come

1889
01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:33,610
and when it came the politicians wants

1890
01:23:36,930 --> 01:23:34,960
to make the announcement we're gonna

1891
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:36,940
then throw the entire m.i.c under the

1892
01:23:40,170 --> 01:23:38,890
bus they're gonna blame him for

1893
01:23:42,690 --> 01:23:40,180
everything

1894
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:42,700
reason we couldn't tell you sooner they

1895
01:23:46,980 --> 01:23:44,050
they they they stonewalled all the

1896
01:23:48,540 --> 01:23:46,990
presidents we the the politicians wanted

1897
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:48,550
to bring the truth to you or the great

1898
01:23:52,140 --> 01:23:50,890
truth bringers and the DoD and all its

1899
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:52,150
black programs and everything else

1900
01:23:57,030 --> 01:23:55,090
basically stood in our way and they they

1901
01:23:59,910 --> 01:23:57,040
didn't like that they don't view

1902
01:24:01,260 --> 01:23:59,920
themselves as the villains they don't

1903
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:01,270
view themselves as criminals they view

1904
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:02,880
themselves as national security

1905
01:24:06,450 --> 01:24:04,930
protectors and they've done a pretty

1906
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:06,460
good job they've made some pretty big

1907
01:24:11,550 --> 01:24:08,650
mistakes but overall they protected us

1908
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:11,560
pretty well including not having a

1909
01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:13,330
nuclear war though we still may have won

1910
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:15,280
the point is is that they see themselves

1911
01:24:21,390 --> 01:24:17,440
as that way and and and I don't argue

1912
01:24:24,210 --> 01:24:21,400
with that so this program which now puts

1913
01:24:27,090 --> 01:24:24,220
them out in front with identified people

1914
01:24:29,460 --> 01:24:27,100
from the m.i.c bringing out information

1915
01:24:33,270 --> 01:24:29,470
going on television is now bear now

1916
01:24:35,430 --> 01:24:33,280
ahead of the politicians we have we

1917
01:24:37,500 --> 01:24:35,440
wouldn't have 123 people running for the

1918
01:24:38,970 --> 01:24:37,510
Democratic nomination how many of them

1919
01:24:42,450 --> 01:24:38,980
have actually brought this issue up yet

1920
01:24:44,670 --> 01:24:42,460
oh none of them am I am i understanding

1921
01:24:46,110 --> 01:24:44,680
that one of them was did take a meeting

1922
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:46,120
about it when they were in Nevada though

1923
01:24:51,060 --> 01:24:49,330
I think yang said something he was asked

1924
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:51,070
by Damon steer up in New Hampshire and

1925
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:52,210
he said a little something not much

1926
01:24:56,010 --> 01:24:53,890
let's just say they're not exactly

1927
01:24:58,110 --> 01:24:56,020
jumping on board so they're now way

1928
01:25:00,090 --> 01:24:58,120
ahead of them and Hillary Clinton's

1929
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:00,100
keeping silence she she's keeping silent

1930
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:01,210
for reasons I'm pretty sure I know what

1931
01:25:06,090 --> 01:25:04,330
they are but she did she did speak to it

1932
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:06,100
she had no choice I forced her that's

1933
01:25:09,570 --> 01:25:07,690
why I I'm never gonna get a Christmas

1934
01:25:12,330 --> 01:25:09,580
card Steve dear dad do you care to

1935
01:25:15,330 --> 01:25:12,340
discuss what your theory is on the

1936
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:15,340
reasons okay okay

1937
01:25:18,450 --> 01:25:17,410
oh don't let me I'll get back to that

1938
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:18,460
let me just finish this other thread

1939
01:25:25,860 --> 01:25:22,570
I'll get right back to that so they and

1940
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:25,870
I don't blame them for doing that they

1941
01:25:33,810 --> 01:25:30,210
they want to they want to be viewed as

1942
01:25:35,250 --> 01:25:33,820
in the member the disclosure event will

1943
01:25:37,140 --> 01:25:35,260
be the most profound event in human

1944
01:25:38,220 --> 01:25:37,150
history I don't know how many thousands

1945
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:38,230
of books would be written about it but

1946
01:25:43,730 --> 01:25:41,050
it's a lot everybody it's attached to it

1947
01:25:47,220 --> 01:25:43,740
or attached to the history behind it

1948
01:25:50,250 --> 01:25:47,230
will be vetted by historians for the

1949
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:50,260
next hundreds of years and they want to

1950
01:25:58,080 --> 01:25:53,170
they want to try to position America's

1951
01:26:01,950 --> 01:25:58,090
defense a military intelligence complex

1952
01:26:04,170 --> 01:26:01,960
as as being on the right side of this

1953
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:04,180
and trying to help as we as we finally

1954
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:05,410
get to the point where we got to move

1955
01:26:08,850 --> 01:26:06,970
forward they're there they're there

1956
01:26:10,380 --> 01:26:08,860
they're on the right side of it and and

1957
01:26:12,150 --> 01:26:10,390
lobbying on Congress going up they're

1958
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:12,160
helping to get hit hearings or whatever

1959
01:26:19,020 --> 01:26:14,850
is definitely going to help that and

1960
01:26:21,180 --> 01:26:19,030
that's great however I don't represent

1961
01:26:22,260 --> 01:26:21,190
the military intelligence complex chase

1962
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:22,270
doesn't represent the military

1963
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:23,530
intelligence

1964
01:26:29,790 --> 01:26:27,610
we are citizen activists lobbyists we

1965
01:26:33,420 --> 01:26:29,800
represent the American people's interest

1966
01:26:35,100 --> 01:26:33,430
and the American people's interest may

1967
01:26:37,620 --> 01:26:35,110
not coincide with the military

1968
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:37,630
intelligence complex interest in in in

1969
01:26:40,709 --> 01:26:40,210
always in fact it won't I'm not saying

1970
01:26:42,209 --> 01:26:40,719
that's all

1971
01:26:45,209 --> 01:26:42,219
thing I'm simply saying it that's a

1972
01:26:47,609 --> 01:26:45,219
certainty and so who is representing

1973
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:47,619
their interest now it may be that after

1974
01:26:53,219 --> 01:26:50,050
disclosure you're gonna have people

1975
01:26:56,459 --> 01:26:53,229
coming forward funding high-tech

1976
01:26:58,290 --> 01:26:56,469
high-end K Street lobbying firms with

1977
01:27:00,930 --> 01:26:58,300
who send out people to Congress who

1978
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:00,940
wouldn't know a flying saucer from a

1979
01:27:04,830 --> 01:27:02,650
Boston cream pie and they're up there

1980
01:27:06,620 --> 01:27:04,840
and no you know what it could care less

1981
01:27:09,689 --> 01:27:06,630
about the people that we're doing it now

1982
01:27:13,049 --> 01:27:09,699
meaning meaning chase and others but

1983
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:13,059
maybe not so I'm going back to

1984
01:27:17,850 --> 01:27:15,280
Washington if I get the money so that I

1985
01:27:20,430 --> 01:27:17,860
can start lobbying again under this new

1986
01:27:22,799 --> 01:27:20,440
situation as Chase has pointed out where

1987
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:22,809
it's gonna be a little easier maybe for

1988
01:27:28,350 --> 01:27:25,360
me to maybe get beyond just an intern in

1989
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:28,360
terms of taking my initial or have an

1990
01:27:32,850 --> 01:27:30,880
initial discussion or maybe not I don't

1991
01:27:34,620 --> 01:27:32,860
know but clearly it's a little different

1992
01:27:36,209 --> 01:27:34,630
and but mostly I'm coming back to also

1993
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:36,219
Lobby the political media and that I can

1994
01:27:42,959 --> 01:27:39,010
do I know what to do there and the

1995
01:27:45,509 --> 01:27:42,969
reason why is simply this that somebody

1996
01:27:48,660 --> 01:27:45,519
must is represent the public's interest

1997
01:27:50,580 --> 01:27:48,670
here because I can assure you that the

1998
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:50,590
shifts that are gonna come from the

1999
01:27:56,729 --> 01:27:53,199
disclosure events and maybe some things

2000
01:28:00,419 --> 01:27:56,739
leading up to it are tectonic and there

2001
01:28:02,790 --> 01:28:00,429
are big powerful interests and powerful

2002
01:28:05,939 --> 01:28:02,800
entities that have would have interest

2003
01:28:07,890 --> 01:28:05,949
in outcomes that are gonna want to steer

2004
01:28:10,859 --> 01:28:07,900
things in certain directions in order to

2005
01:28:14,279 --> 01:28:10,869
benefit them not necessarily the

2006
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:14,289
American people's interest and so the

2007
01:28:19,500 --> 01:28:16,960
message I have is who out there amongst

2008
01:28:24,450 --> 01:28:19,510
the space billionaires Elon Musk or

2009
01:28:27,149 --> 01:28:24,460
Branson or or even Bezos whatever are

2010
01:28:31,770 --> 01:28:27,159
willing to fund the people's interest in

2011
01:28:33,450 --> 01:28:31,780
this after disclosure or maybe even fund

2012
01:28:37,229 --> 01:28:33,460
the people's interest in this leading up

2013
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:37,239
to disclosure because that's gonna have

2014
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:40,570
to be represented and that's why I'm

2015
01:28:45,569 --> 01:28:42,210
going back and so that's the difference

2016
01:28:47,759 --> 01:28:45,579
so and I think Chase understands this as

2017
01:28:50,339 --> 01:28:47,769
well there's there's gonna be two

2018
01:28:51,569 --> 01:28:50,349
parallel lobbying efforts one it's gonna

2019
01:28:53,740 --> 01:28:51,579
be the public lobbying and there's gonna

2020
01:28:55,939 --> 01:28:53,750
be that then I see lobbying

2021
01:28:58,010 --> 01:28:55,949
and in service to what they feel needs

2022
01:28:59,629 --> 01:28:58,020
to happen and that's that's a big deal

2023
01:29:00,770 --> 01:28:59,639
and it's not easy to explain it and most

2024
01:29:03,140 --> 01:29:00,780
people don't understand that yet

2025
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:03,150
hopefully they will soon and getting

2026
01:29:07,879 --> 01:29:05,600
back to your theories on how clinton's

2027
01:29:11,090 --> 01:29:07,889
kind of sitting on the sidelines based

2028
01:29:12,500 --> 01:29:11,100
at the moment here's here is my

2029
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:12,510
statement and I'm sticking to it

2030
01:29:17,419 --> 01:29:15,210
all right and since I was in Washington

2031
01:29:22,910 --> 01:29:17,429
for two years totally and broiled in

2032
01:29:24,500 --> 01:29:22,920
this Hillary Clinton wanted to be the

2033
01:29:26,930 --> 01:29:24,510
first woman president there's no

2034
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:26,940
question about that she wanted to be

2035
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:28,650
President the first woman president was

2036
01:29:36,109 --> 01:29:33,810
an even bigger prize she knew about the

2037
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:36,119
et issue she was involved in the

2038
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:37,610
Rockefeller in issue she knew how the

2039
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:40,290
Air Force lied to her husband came up

2040
01:29:44,540 --> 01:29:42,210
with that stupid mogul balloon report

2041
01:29:46,700 --> 01:29:44,550
that spent 12 million bucks on and shut

2042
01:29:49,820 --> 01:29:46,710
it down they had to then back away

2043
01:29:54,530 --> 01:29:49,830
because they knew that it at that time

2044
01:29:56,359 --> 01:29:54,540
but 1997 and forward that this issue was

2045
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:56,369
still radioactive and they all had

2046
01:30:01,189 --> 01:29:58,800
political aspirations and so they went

2047
01:30:02,540 --> 01:30:01,199
silent except for Podesta he's the one

2048
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:02,550
that kept poking his head up in case

2049
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:03,840
they say something it's like he was

2050
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:06,239
leaving bread crumbs and they stayed

2051
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:07,770
silent because she's gonna become

2052
01:30:13,070 --> 01:30:09,810
president one day she thought she was

2053
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:13,080
gonna from president in 2008 she really

2054
01:30:17,899 --> 01:30:16,290
did and if she had I would I think we

2055
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:17,909
would have had disclosure and I think

2056
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:20,850
that Podesta statements in 2002-2003 his

2057
01:30:24,620 --> 01:30:22,530
cooperation with Leslie Kane and all of

2058
01:30:26,450 --> 01:30:24,630
that was just prelude to and setting the

2059
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:26,460
stage for her to come out and say hey

2060
01:30:29,899 --> 01:30:28,050
guess what and then something about this

2061
01:30:31,310 --> 01:30:29,909
time to tell the people the truth go to

2062
01:30:34,700 --> 01:30:31,320
the Pentagon say boys

2063
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:34,710
mostly boys you know is a new woman in

2064
01:30:38,419 --> 01:30:37,290
town and I'm the president now you

2065
01:30:39,979 --> 01:30:38,429
Stonewall my husband you're not

2066
01:30:41,540 --> 01:30:39,989
stonewalling me we're gonna get the

2067
01:30:43,070 --> 01:30:41,550
files out we're gonna announce the et

2068
01:30:45,050 --> 01:30:43,080
presence and if you don't agree with

2069
01:30:47,689 --> 01:30:45,060
that I'm firing all of you all of you

2070
01:30:50,270 --> 01:30:47,699
and I'll replace you right and that

2071
01:30:52,129 --> 01:30:50,280
would have been it she didn't win and so

2072
01:30:53,450 --> 01:30:52,139
we had a complex situation in unraveled

2073
01:30:58,100 --> 01:30:53,460
over the next eight years and then she

2074
01:30:59,750 --> 01:30:58,110
had her second shot now I push the et

2075
01:31:02,540 --> 01:30:59,760
issue on him I forced them to come out

2076
01:31:04,910 --> 01:31:02,550
of cover they didn't want to the truth

2077
01:31:07,540 --> 01:31:04,920
is it didn't cost him a vote and I took

2078
01:31:09,370 --> 01:31:07,550
a male Podesta this I email Podesta

2079
01:31:11,620 --> 01:31:09,380
time I never get a response I don't

2080
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:11,630
expect to but I basically said look this

2081
01:31:15,340 --> 01:31:13,850
didn't cost you a vote in fact you had

2082
01:31:17,530 --> 01:31:15,350
no no blowback at all

2083
01:31:19,990 --> 01:31:17,540
and if you had embraced it all the way

2084
01:31:22,690 --> 01:31:20,000
if you'd gone all the way and said look

2085
01:31:24,490 --> 01:31:22,700
this is what's going on we need to tell

2086
01:31:26,290 --> 01:31:24,500
the people the truth if I'm president

2087
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:26,300
we're gonna do so and if Barack wants to

2088
01:31:29,710 --> 01:31:28,610
do it I totally support it whatever she

2089
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:29,720
would have changed the subject

2090
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:31,610
completely away from all of the other

2091
01:31:36,130 --> 01:31:33,770
crap that was being thrown up in the air

2092
01:31:37,690 --> 01:31:36,140
and the focus would have been on her in

2093
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:37,700
this issue and she would be President

2094
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:39,410
today but she did not have the courage

2095
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:42,290
to do that so she she plays it out and

2096
01:31:47,110 --> 01:31:45,050
she loses and now she's sitting on all

2097
01:31:49,210 --> 01:31:47,120
this information that she's totally

2098
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:49,220
connected to the issue she could have

2099
01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:51,770
given an interview to marine down at the

2100
01:31:55,060 --> 01:31:54,050
New York Times the day after done

2101
01:31:59,050 --> 01:31:55,070
did they after the election if she

2102
01:32:02,830 --> 01:31:59,060
wanted to or certainly any time in 2017

2103
01:32:04,780 --> 01:32:02,840
or 2018 but had she done so and believe

2104
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:04,790
me she could drop an interview on the

2105
01:32:10,420 --> 01:32:06,770
New York Times it would be a total

2106
01:32:12,070 --> 01:32:10,430
nuclear bomb disclosure would happen and

2107
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:12,080
guess who would be the disclosure

2108
01:32:18,490 --> 01:32:15,730
president gentleman by the name of Trump

2109
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:18,500
who I'm pretty sure Hillary Clinton

2110
01:32:25,540 --> 01:32:22,130
hates with a white-hot heat only be

2111
01:32:28,630 --> 01:32:25,550
obtained in certain special nuclear

2112
01:32:33,250 --> 01:32:28,640
reactor cores and so she has remained

2113
01:32:43,170 --> 01:32:33,260
silent and that's the reason I would say

2114
01:32:48,870 --> 01:32:46,210
speculation is okay but good speculation

2115
01:32:51,130 --> 01:32:48,880
is very much okay I would I would

2116
01:32:52,930 --> 01:32:51,140
basically concur with that that makes a

2117
01:32:56,710 --> 01:32:52,940
lot of sense to me although well I guess

2118
01:32:58,420 --> 01:32:56,720
we'll never really know for sure it's

2119
01:32:59,850 --> 01:32:58,430
all gonna be eventually eventually

2120
01:33:03,970 --> 01:32:59,860
they're gonna tell the whole story

2121
01:33:05,710 --> 01:33:03,980
they're gonna want to they're gonna Bill

2122
01:33:08,170 --> 01:33:05,720
Clinton Hillary Clinton John Podesta and

2123
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:08,180
maybe Panetta and some of the others are

2124
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:12,170
eventually gonna tell the story once

2125
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:14,210
it's okay once you know they're not

2126
01:33:18,550 --> 01:33:16,130
gonna be President the politics over

2127
01:33:20,410 --> 01:33:18,560
this issues out there that's history

2128
01:33:20,740 --> 01:33:20,420
this is unbelievably important history

2129
01:33:22,540 --> 01:33:20,750
and there

2130
01:33:23,950 --> 01:33:22,550
want to tell it and the historians are

2131
01:33:25,630 --> 01:33:23,960
gonna want to read it and write it I

2132
01:33:27,970 --> 01:33:25,640
mean they're gonna research it so that

2133
01:33:30,010 --> 01:33:27,980
everybody's gonna tell their place in

2134
01:33:31,810 --> 01:33:30,020
all of this this is where I was this is

2135
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:31,820
what I said did couldn't do this

2136
01:33:35,980 --> 01:33:33,170
couldn't do that that was the plant

2137
01:33:38,290 --> 01:33:35,990
whatever which maybe the public could

2138
01:33:40,810 --> 01:33:38,300
have learned sooner didn't happen but

2139
01:33:42,550 --> 01:33:40,820
you're not gonna want to go silent this

2140
01:33:43,900 --> 01:33:42,560
is the biggest history of all time this

2141
01:33:45,100 --> 01:33:43,910
is gonna be the biggest event in human

2142
01:33:51,010 --> 01:33:45,110
history

2143
01:33:53,620 --> 01:33:51,020
maybe maybe preceded succeeded by open

2144
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:53,630
contact if the ETS decided to go CNN

2145
01:33:57,130 --> 01:33:55,850
right but up until that until then

2146
01:33:58,510 --> 01:33:57,140
that's the biggest in history and I sure

2147
01:34:01,060 --> 01:33:58,520
everybody involves gonna want to be in

2148
01:34:03,700 --> 01:34:01,070
the history books everybody even the

2149
01:34:06,670 --> 01:34:03,710
debunkers want to be in there don't

2150
01:34:08,500 --> 01:34:06,680
forget me for years and years and years

2151
01:34:10,690 --> 01:34:08,510
but I was paying attention and I know a

2152
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:10,700
lot about the subject and and I and I

2153
01:34:14,470 --> 01:34:12,290
and I had a good reason whatever they're

2154
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:14,480
all history books so don't worry it's

2155
01:34:19,480 --> 01:34:17,330
all gonna be covered I saw that CNN dust

2156
01:34:23,050 --> 01:34:19,490
it off and will that Bill Nye recently

2157
01:34:28,660 --> 01:34:23,060
too but given his perspective on all

2158
01:34:32,140 --> 01:34:28,670
this so that was Bill you were doing so

2159
01:34:34,810 --> 01:34:32,150
well so well on the climate change thing

2160
01:34:41,620 --> 01:34:34,820
really having some impacts and you

2161
01:34:44,380 --> 01:34:41,630
decide don't do that bill but what can

2162
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:44,390
you say well as Steve we talked a little

2163
01:34:49,030 --> 01:34:47,090
bit earlier about the Admiral Wilson

2164
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:49,040
notes the Admiral Wilson documents and

2165
01:34:51,940 --> 01:34:51,050
that we were able to follow up on that I

2166
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:51,950
don't know if you want to hang around

2167
01:34:56,500 --> 01:34:54,770
when I when I go through what we've

2168
01:34:58,570 --> 01:34:56,510
turned up in the last week or so since

2169
01:35:00,460 --> 01:34:58,580
we did to share with Michael Hall if you

2170
01:35:01,930 --> 01:35:00,470
and that chase still on the line if you

2171
01:35:03,250 --> 01:35:01,940
want to hang around in that listen in on

2172
01:35:05,260 --> 01:35:03,260
that yeah I mean obviously you're more

2173
01:35:07,420 --> 01:35:05,270
than welcome to but we do want to get to

2174
01:35:09,370 --> 01:35:07,430
that but before we do is there anything

2175
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:09,380
else that you want to wrap up with oh

2176
01:35:12,790 --> 01:35:10,970
you're saying that you're saying you

2177
01:35:15,700 --> 01:35:12,800
want to wrap us up and you're gonna do a

2178
01:35:18,700 --> 01:35:15,710
kind of some stuff yeah unless you want

2179
01:35:21,870 --> 01:35:18,710
to listen in and take part as well yeah

2180
01:35:25,740 --> 01:35:21,880
all right i i have something as well

2181
01:35:29,410 --> 01:35:25,750
well go ahead rich hoffman wanted to ask

2182
01:35:31,630 --> 01:35:29,420
chase are you as lobbyists leveraging

2183
01:35:34,660 --> 01:35:31,640
harry reid or are others who have

2184
01:35:42,700 --> 01:35:34,670
success who are having six

2185
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:42,710
and getting political traction say she

2186
01:35:49,930 --> 01:35:47,570
there yeah yeah I can also read the

2187
01:35:55,660 --> 01:35:49,940
entire question for you if you want yeah

2188
01:35:58,600 --> 01:35:55,670
honestly right yeah I read the context

2189
01:36:00,550 --> 01:35:58,610
of it it's a little long I might take

2190
01:36:05,020 --> 01:36:00,560
like one full minute or so but I'll read

2191
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:05,030
it okay okay so it's political it's the

2192
01:36:08,650 --> 01:36:06,530
same thing I said to you Steve which has

2193
01:36:10,209 --> 01:36:08,660
like 11 questions in it but then she

2194
01:36:12,570 --> 01:36:10,219
might get the gist of it and decide

2195
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:12,580
which questions she wants to answer so

2196
01:36:18,130 --> 01:36:16,250
rich said rich Hoffman said political

2197
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:18,140
lobbying is a good thing we need to have

2198
01:36:21,700 --> 01:36:19,760
people like Harry Reid who value the

2199
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:21,710
scientific study to help make a change

2200
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:23,570
in the attitudes of more than just a

2201
01:36:28,270 --> 01:36:25,850
navy or the Department of Defense to

2202
01:36:30,430 --> 01:36:28,280
tackle this the FAA needs to get

2203
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:30,440
involved in commercial pilots to report

2204
01:36:35,290 --> 01:36:33,410
we need to also have academia remove

2205
01:36:37,630 --> 01:36:35,300
their obstructions in allowing students

2206
01:36:39,820 --> 01:36:37,640
to study this and publish papers we need

2207
01:36:42,189 --> 01:36:39,830
to get NASA to alter their attitude if

2208
01:36:44,350 --> 01:36:42,199
you want a holistic perspective on this

2209
01:36:46,660 --> 01:36:44,360
the attitudes of government overall

2210
01:36:50,890 --> 01:36:46,670
needs to be altered how are you going

2211
01:36:53,950 --> 01:36:50,900
about doing this chase I think Steve

2212
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:53,960
answered it perfectly and it's really

2213
01:36:56,890 --> 01:36:56,330
where we're going it's kind of baby

2214
01:36:59,590 --> 01:36:56,900
steps

2215
01:37:01,780 --> 01:36:59,600
so before we really address academia and

2216
01:37:06,430 --> 01:37:01,790
you know we have to hit that disclosure

2217
01:37:09,820 --> 01:37:06,440
part before we start really being

2218
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:09,830
activists and pushing forward on post we

2219
01:37:14,500 --> 01:37:11,690
need to start it now I understand that

2220
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:14,510
but right now that momentum is just

2221
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:18,290
riding in and getting things done who

2222
01:37:22,570 --> 01:37:20,449
would have thought two years ago that

2223
01:37:25,330 --> 01:37:22,580
our military would be changing openly

2224
01:37:28,630 --> 01:37:25,340
changing policy so there are so that

2225
01:37:31,419 --> 01:37:28,640
military soldiers and and you know

2226
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:31,429
active duty members could report without

2227
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:33,650
ridicule and how that report taken

2228
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:35,690
seriously so you know that's gonna be

2229
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:37,730
classified that whole process by the way

2230
01:37:44,229 --> 01:37:40,370
and I don't think people realize that

2231
01:37:47,350 --> 01:37:44,239
but this is this is just we just started

2232
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:47,360
and I think very few of us all this

2233
01:37:52,180 --> 01:37:48,530
really come

2234
01:37:55,420 --> 01:37:52,190
from to discard I really saw this coming

2235
01:38:00,280 --> 01:37:55,430
in different avenues but so be it let's

2236
01:38:03,220 --> 01:38:00,290
go and be part of the solution and but I

2237
01:38:06,970 --> 01:38:03,230
do agree once this goes through and

2238
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:06,980
things are acknowledged and then it's

2239
01:38:11,590 --> 01:38:08,930
time and in like Steve said everyone's

2240
01:38:13,300 --> 01:38:11,600
gonna be jumping on a bandwagon so it's

2241
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:13,310
gonna be the Wild West or a little bit

2242
01:38:18,370 --> 01:38:16,370
until things settle down much like you

2243
01:38:20,530 --> 01:38:18,380
know typing in the word UFO when you're

2244
01:38:22,690 --> 01:38:20,540
a first time person looking for you know

2245
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:22,700
real information on the topic on the

2246
01:38:29,290 --> 01:38:25,010
Internet poor guys they're just thrown

2247
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:29,300
into the piano swamp so it's gonna be

2248
01:38:33,430 --> 01:38:30,890
interesting but we're going to need

2249
01:38:36,130 --> 01:38:33,440
people to stand up and be ready for that

2250
01:38:39,820 --> 01:38:36,140
rich Hoffman is the perfect person um

2251
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:39,830
you know his scientific coalition you

2252
01:38:45,090 --> 01:38:42,050
know focused on that and I agree with

2253
01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:45,100
that if it can be if it's not admissible

2254
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:48,290
scientific or evidence I don't need it

2255
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:49,970
we don't need it anymore

2256
01:38:55,060 --> 01:38:51,770
I mean you know we have other places

2257
01:38:57,130 --> 01:38:55,070
MUFON is amazing at being the historians

2258
01:38:58,480 --> 01:38:57,140
and the archivist and getting all those

2259
01:39:00,790 --> 01:38:58,490
you know keeping all those eyewitness

2260
01:39:03,100 --> 01:39:00,800
statements that's amazing

2261
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:03,110
but we need other things done and now

2262
01:39:08,260 --> 01:39:05,570
it's now we need evidence it's the only

2263
01:39:09,850 --> 01:39:08,270
thing that's going to push okay and I'll

2264
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:09,860
just ask this last part so Frank can

2265
01:39:15,670 --> 01:39:12,290
move on and that is considering and this

2266
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:15,680
is still rich considering it is a indeed

2267
01:39:20,230 --> 01:39:18,170
a worldwide phenomena and that now we

2268
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:20,240
have openly stated our position to the

2269
01:39:26,380 --> 01:39:22,730
world would now be the time to have the

2270
01:39:28,030 --> 01:39:26,390
UN tackle this what is the response on a

2271
01:39:31,060 --> 01:39:28,040
world level to our announcements well

2272
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:31,070
would now be the time to have un tackle

2273
01:39:37,750 --> 01:39:33,170
this no chance not gonna happen

2274
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:37,760
yes I mean theoretically it is but the

2275
01:39:42,250 --> 01:39:40,400
UN is not going to do that alright and I

2276
01:39:45,460 --> 01:39:42,260
don't even bother with it basically the

2277
01:39:47,820 --> 01:39:45,470
UN is out of the game it surrounded the

2278
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:47,830
game for some time that's intentional

2279
01:39:55,510 --> 01:39:51,970
now post disclosure the UN is

2280
01:39:58,320 --> 01:39:55,520
immediately the logical choice for how

2281
01:40:01,780 --> 01:39:58,330
would you say having discussions about

2282
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:01,790
okay there's extraterrestrials here

2283
01:40:05,470 --> 01:40:03,410
let's get together and talk about that

2284
01:40:12,280 --> 01:40:05,480
right what do you think Senegal what do

2285
01:40:16,410 --> 01:40:12,290
you think India and and maybe maybe the

2286
01:40:22,410 --> 01:40:16,420
UN might emerge post disclosure as the

2287
01:40:25,660 --> 01:40:22,420
acknowledged entity for addressing all

2288
01:40:28,810 --> 01:40:25,670
the global implications of the et

2289
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:28,820
presence which is a big deal without

2290
01:40:35,980 --> 01:40:32,320
question or maybe not the UN has been so

2291
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:35,990
bastardized if the structure is is wrong

2292
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:40,090
the whole Security Council is wrong that

2293
01:40:44,530 --> 01:40:43,850
was designed as a cold war buffer that's

2294
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:44,540
not good

2295
01:40:48,370 --> 01:40:46,010
that makes me Dunaway and it's been

2296
01:40:50,740 --> 01:40:48,380
underfunded the building is a wreck

2297
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:50,750
it's just a mess because we don't really

2298
01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:53,840
want to cooperate with each other what

2299
01:40:56,410 --> 01:40:55,730
we really want is to just kick the hell

2300
01:41:00,070 --> 01:40:56,420
out of each other

2301
01:41:02,140 --> 01:41:00,080
and and or at least there's enough

2302
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:02,150
leaders of that frame of mind we keep we

2303
01:41:05,470 --> 01:41:03,290
keep putting people in power who

2304
01:41:08,260 --> 01:41:05,480
associate Pass who have no interest in

2305
01:41:10,330 --> 01:41:08,270
cooperating in a global way all they

2306
01:41:12,670 --> 01:41:10,340
want to do is make money and kill people

2307
01:41:16,420 --> 01:41:12,680
and so the UN is just not servicing them

2308
01:41:18,430 --> 01:41:16,430
and so it's very unlikely it may be in

2309
01:41:20,440 --> 01:41:18,440
that role but it could be I what is more

2310
01:41:23,170 --> 01:41:20,450
likely is that a brand new organization

2311
01:41:26,500 --> 01:41:23,180
with massive funding will be created

2312
01:41:32,140 --> 01:41:26,510
from the ground up post disclosure to to

2313
01:41:35,410 --> 01:41:32,150
be the the the the source point for the

2314
01:41:38,230 --> 01:41:35,420
development of the plans and agendas and

2315
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:38,240
protocols for open contact which i think

2316
01:41:44,020 --> 01:41:41,290
is going to be on the minds of everybody

2317
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:44,030
because let's face it if ETS are here

2318
01:41:48,670 --> 01:41:45,890
which they are and we fully acknowledge

2319
01:41:52,480 --> 01:41:48,680
it globally the likelihood of them

2320
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:52,490
coming out in the open is great and

2321
01:41:56,890 --> 01:41:55,130
could happen at any time and so there

2322
01:41:58,030 --> 01:41:56,900
may be a ground up organization a built

2323
01:42:00,250 --> 01:41:58,040
from scratch and that may be the best

2324
01:42:04,180 --> 01:42:00,260
way to go unless we're gonna fight over

2325
01:42:06,100 --> 01:42:04,190
it for endlessly for years that may

2326
01:42:09,070 --> 01:42:06,110
happen or maybe the UN will be that I

2327
01:42:11,230 --> 01:42:09,080
don't know but as far as right now UN is

2328
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:11,240
easily is utterly useless except for a

2329
01:42:16,850 --> 01:42:15,210
few minor occasional kerfuffles what

2330
01:42:18,590 --> 01:42:16,860
you ever if you had the opportunity to

2331
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:18,600
be in this position that's just a

2332
01:42:25,100 --> 01:42:23,010
hypothetical chase or yourself put the

2333
01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:25,110
National Academy of Sciences in charge

2334
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:27,810
of studying extraterrestrials for a

2335
01:42:32,630 --> 01:42:29,610
governmental body now you're gonna have

2336
01:42:36,550 --> 01:42:32,640
to create a whole new one too big way

2337
01:42:38,810 --> 01:42:36,560
too big this is correct yeah

2338
01:42:40,220 --> 01:42:38,820
there's gonna be a whole department of

2339
01:42:42,229 --> 01:42:40,230
extraterrestrial studies that's gonna be

2340
01:42:45,440 --> 01:42:42,239
a cab in a position built from scratch

2341
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:45,450
new people and the question is how

2342
01:42:48,260 --> 01:42:46,890
quickly do they get there I'm sure the

2343
01:42:49,540 --> 01:42:48,270
National Academy will maybe raise his

2344
01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:49,550
hand and say oh yeah yeah yeah yeah

2345
01:42:53,780 --> 01:42:52,170
we're it right NASA was oh no no we're

2346
01:42:55,220 --> 01:42:53,790
it you want to put it here right on the

2347
01:42:57,080 --> 01:42:55,230
national side whatever National Science

2348
01:42:59,000 --> 01:42:57,090
Foundation everybody's gonna want to be

2349
01:43:01,940 --> 01:42:59,010
the home for the engagement from the

2350
01:43:04,220 --> 01:43:01,950
United States on this subject and I

2351
01:43:07,250 --> 01:43:04,230
think but probably the best way to go is

2352
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:07,260
to start brand new with a new entity so

2353
01:43:11,540 --> 01:43:09,690
that nobody is is everybody in its

2354
01:43:14,450 --> 01:43:11,550
that's the fairest way to go about this

2355
01:43:16,610 --> 01:43:14,460
and start from scratch because we're in

2356
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:16,620
a new world this is a totally new world

2357
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:20,250
and we don't want to we won't we want to

2358
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:23,250
try to bring as much new ideas and and

2359
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:25,650
structure to it as possible okay Frank

2360
01:43:29,959 --> 01:43:27,810
um I apologize thank you so much for

2361
01:43:32,420 --> 01:43:29,969
your time on that yes I want to get

2362
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:32,430
we've done some follow up as far as I

2363
01:43:37,100 --> 01:43:34,650
know we're the the really the only ones

2364
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:37,110
following up on the contents of the

2365
01:43:44,450 --> 01:43:41,250
actual documents that least late earlier

2366
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:44,460
week and you know we've been digging in

2367
01:43:49,100 --> 01:43:46,650
I see a lot of other researchers going

2368
01:43:51,260 --> 01:43:49,110
on about the provenance of the docs now

2369
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:51,270
as Steven chase you're more than I'm

2370
01:43:54,380 --> 01:43:52,890
more than happy to you know if you want

2371
01:43:56,180 --> 01:43:54,390
to hang around you want to listen but

2372
01:43:57,979 --> 01:43:56,190
I've got some visuals as well to go

2373
01:44:00,830 --> 01:43:57,989
along with this and I would like to get

2374
01:44:02,390 --> 01:44:00,840
into it in some detail found some

2375
01:44:04,220 --> 01:44:02,400
additional information which i think is

2376
01:44:06,229 --> 01:44:04,230
quite interesting it doesn't prove

2377
01:44:07,610 --> 01:44:06,239
anything one way or the other but I

2378
01:44:10,250 --> 01:44:07,620
think that the most interesting thing

2379
01:44:14,060 --> 01:44:10,260
that I found goes to page 5 on those

2380
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:14,070
documents where it is mentioned TW his

2381
01:44:19,790 --> 01:44:16,530
reasoning for being purportedly in Las

2382
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:19,800
Vegas came to test site special area to

2383
01:44:24,620 --> 01:44:22,410
wrap up projects he began in

2384
01:44:26,150 --> 01:44:24,630
yay successor can't be bothered with

2385
01:44:29,060 --> 01:44:26,160
right now so on and so forth

2386
01:44:32,090 --> 01:44:29,070
did a tour said goodbye a trip set up by

2387
01:44:33,950 --> 01:44:32,100
n NSA National Nuclear Security Agency

2388
01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:33,960
rich and dog I've got a pretty good idea

2389
01:44:38,990 --> 01:44:36,480
who I think rich is you might be an

2390
01:44:43,550 --> 01:44:39,000
interesting person to follow up with you

2391
01:44:47,900 --> 01:44:43,560
at meeting Eric Davis know them AFI yeah

2392
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:47,910
AFI Oh members now the AFI o is the

2393
01:44:52,490 --> 01:44:49,770
association of former intelligence

2394
01:44:53,900 --> 01:44:52,500
officers and rather interestingly i

2395
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:53,910
think i don't think this proves anything

2396
01:44:57,620 --> 01:44:55,650
one way or the other but that rather

2397
01:45:00,320 --> 01:44:57,630
interesting Eric Davis supper his

2398
01:45:02,390 --> 01:45:00,330
biography at the earth tech site the

2399
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:02,400
organization run by Hal put off in his

2400
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:04,650
biography it is his mentioned that he is

2401
01:45:08,810 --> 01:45:06,960
a member of the Association of former

2402
01:45:10,340 --> 01:45:08,820
intelligence officers so that's a a

2403
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:10,350
little bit of follow up that we did that

2404
01:45:13,430 --> 01:45:11,970
I think is interesting like I said it

2405
01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:13,440
doesn't prove anything one way or the

2406
01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:15,810
other but it is interesting so there's

2407
01:45:22,700 --> 01:45:21,210
that and also I did want to make clear

2408
01:45:26,230 --> 01:45:22,710
one of the reasons I have strong

2409
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:26,240
suspicions about the notes aspect of

2410
01:45:32,990 --> 01:45:29,930
these documents and this goes back to

2411
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:33,000
what was reported that that commander

2412
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:37,770
Miller have found most interesting ok

2413
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:39,360
this was this was a problem another

2414
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:42,930
problem I had again the Admiral Wilson

2415
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:44,850
saying that he met with this watch

2416
01:45:50,030 --> 01:45:47,730
committee the gatekeepers this ties back

2417
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:50,040
to I went through a lot of this in

2418
01:45:54,710 --> 01:45:53,040
detail with when I had Michael on so I'm

2419
01:45:56,270 --> 01:45:54,720
not going to belabor at this point and

2420
01:45:59,210 --> 01:45:56,280
it's also something I brought up when we

2421
01:46:01,430 --> 01:45:59,220
had Michael on Michael hall that is in

2422
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:01,440
March before these even came out and

2423
01:46:05,300 --> 01:46:02,850
there were there were some things that I

2424
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:05,310
suggested should be warning signs as to

2425
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:07,530
the authenticity of these documents and

2426
01:46:11,660 --> 01:46:09,810
a lot of that proved out a lot of that

2427
01:46:13,250 --> 01:46:11,670
does showed up in the documents and that

2428
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:13,260
was one of them the fact that it was

2429
01:46:18,530 --> 01:46:16,530
promoted as a transcript of sorts it was

2430
01:46:21,870 --> 01:46:18,540
really more a piece of notes rather than

2431
01:46:24,030 --> 01:46:21,880
an actual transcript but

2432
01:46:26,070 --> 01:46:24,040
they're in the cipro material which I

2433
01:46:29,550 --> 01:46:26,080
you know where everybody knows that's

2434
01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:29,560
disinfo fictional story and this same

2435
01:46:34,620 --> 01:46:32,290
sort of plot device that you know

2436
01:46:36,750 --> 01:46:34,630
there's no one specifically named who

2437
01:46:39,630 --> 01:46:36,760
briefs the president it's the caretaker

2438
01:46:42,570 --> 01:46:39,640
here it's so for Admiral Wilson it is

2439
01:46:45,630 --> 01:46:42,580
the gatekeepers you know it it it reads

2440
01:46:48,330 --> 01:46:45,640
like a device a fictional device to me

2441
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:48,340
so again that's not proof but it's in my

2442
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:51,010
opinion and then of course there is

2443
01:46:54,720 --> 01:46:52,960
Admiral Wilson on the left in this

2444
01:46:57,290 --> 01:46:54,730
particular image

2445
01:47:01,380 --> 01:46:57,300
commander well Edgar Mitchell and

2446
01:47:03,270 --> 01:47:01,390
commander commander Miller and they were

2447
01:47:04,530 --> 01:47:03,280
at that meeting nobody questions the

2448
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:04,540
authenticity of the meeting in the

2449
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:06,730
Pentagon involving these three gentlemen

2450
01:47:11,340 --> 01:47:09,130
plus Steven Greer plus some others where

2451
01:47:13,710 --> 01:47:11,350
the et issue was brought up the

2452
01:47:16,710 --> 01:47:13,720
discrepancy there and commander Miller

2453
01:47:20,220 --> 01:47:16,720
and Admiral Wilson both on record as

2454
01:47:21,690 --> 01:47:20,230
saying that there there really was no

2455
01:47:23,370 --> 01:47:21,700
follow-up obviously a lot of other

2456
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:23,380
people are saying otherwise so there's

2457
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:26,410
that and also this is not the first time

2458
01:47:31,230 --> 01:47:27,970
I talked we talked a little bit about

2459
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:31,240
this with Steve earlier on regarding a

2460
01:47:39,210 --> 01:47:35,410
meeting between Steven Greer and CI then

2461
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:39,220
CIA director james Woolsey and there was

2462
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:41,530
some disagreement the the meeting was

2463
01:47:47,070 --> 01:47:43,930
acknowledged by everyone involved but

2464
01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:47,080
the contents of the meeting were in some

2465
01:47:52,470 --> 01:47:50,530
dispute and in fact Woolsey and person

2466
01:47:55,230 --> 01:47:52,480
who has set this meeting up John

2467
01:47:56,970 --> 01:47:55,240
Peterson both going on record and their

2468
01:47:59,670 --> 01:47:56,980
wives going on record signing his

2469
01:48:01,170 --> 01:47:59,680
statement well you know it wasn't that

2470
01:48:03,510 --> 01:48:01,180
big a deal we were just being polite we

2471
01:48:05,580 --> 01:48:03,520
listened to Greer but Peterson is that

2472
01:48:07,230 --> 01:48:05,590
an involved guy and insider I found up

2473
01:48:10,230 --> 01:48:07,240
out enough about that particular

2474
01:48:13,020 --> 01:48:10,240
incident that on a scale of one to ten

2475
01:48:15,810 --> 01:48:13,030
with the Petersons Woolsey side being

2476
01:48:17,190 --> 01:48:15,820
one in the greer side being ten I would

2477
01:48:18,900 --> 01:48:17,200
direct I would kind of give this and I

2478
01:48:20,580 --> 01:48:18,910
think conservatively maybe like a seven

2479
01:48:23,130 --> 01:48:20,590
and a half to an eight that it was much

2480
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:23,140
closer to what Greer said so there's

2481
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:24,610
some precedents for this kind of thing

2482
01:48:30,630 --> 01:48:28,570
and and again these are the key points

2483
01:48:32,310 --> 01:48:30,640
from commander Miller another suggestion

2484
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:32,320
I have and I think it's really important

2485
01:48:35,930 --> 01:48:34,320
there's a couple of things one

2486
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:35,940
you know you've got to be able to place

2487
01:48:40,220 --> 01:48:38,250
Wilson in Vegas on this particular date

2488
01:48:42,529 --> 01:48:40,230
doesn't live in that Vegas but they

2489
01:48:44,229 --> 01:48:42,539
you've got at least place him there you

2490
01:48:46,970 --> 01:48:44,239
don't have to get him on record saying

2491
01:48:50,899 --> 01:48:46,980
you know yes everything happened exactly

2492
01:48:52,250 --> 01:48:50,909
the way that these notes described he's

2493
01:48:56,479 --> 01:48:52,260
not gonna do that I think everybody

2494
01:48:57,979 --> 01:48:56,489
understands that but you know was he

2495
01:48:59,660 --> 01:48:57,989
there I mean that's really the key if he

2496
01:49:02,089 --> 01:48:59,670
wasn't there that's obviously a real

2497
01:49:04,009 --> 01:49:02,099
problem for these notes these documents

2498
01:49:05,870 --> 01:49:04,019
if he was it makes things a lot more

2499
01:49:08,750 --> 01:49:05,880
interesting and then again here's a

2500
01:49:12,859 --> 01:49:08,760
screenshot of the response to Richard

2501
01:49:14,810 --> 01:49:12,869
Dolan from how put off that all right

2502
01:49:16,580 --> 01:49:14,820
let's see we believe it is in the best

2503
01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:16,590
interest of the USG meaning the US

2504
01:49:20,569 --> 01:49:18,449
government and ourselves not to comment

2505
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:20,579
on any documents that purport to

2506
01:49:26,990 --> 01:49:23,610
describe classified USG programs or

2507
01:49:29,419 --> 01:49:27,000
information so there's that and a key

2508
01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:29,429
word in there is purport I don't think

2509
01:49:33,319 --> 01:49:31,170
you can go ahead and say everybody who

2510
01:49:35,330 --> 01:49:33,329
goes on record and says there's a

2511
01:49:37,729 --> 01:49:35,340
problem here is lying I don't think you

2512
01:49:39,290 --> 01:49:37,739
can go out there and say everybody who

2513
01:49:41,060 --> 01:49:39,300
offers up but no comment is really

2514
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:41,070
saying yes so I think there's a problem

2515
01:49:45,799 --> 01:49:43,530
with that and that's that basically the

2516
01:49:49,669 --> 01:49:45,809
update that we've got and obviously

2517
01:49:51,379 --> 01:49:49,679
we're continuing to dig in and well when

2518
01:49:52,910 --> 01:49:51,389
we get stuff no matter which way it cuts

2519
01:49:56,089 --> 01:49:52,920
we're gonna go with it so that's

2520
01:49:58,029 --> 01:49:56,099
basically that I'd like to go ahead and

2521
01:50:00,319 --> 01:49:58,039
bring up that word purport because

2522
01:50:02,330 --> 01:50:00,329
everybody's going over this document

2523
01:50:05,089 --> 01:50:02,340
with a fine-tooth comb so I might as

2524
01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:05,099
well bring up one word and that is the

2525
01:50:11,080 --> 01:50:08,250
work report means appear to claim to be

2526
01:50:13,609 --> 01:50:11,090
or do something especially falsely and

2527
01:50:16,669 --> 01:50:13,619
it's important that people understand

2528
01:50:19,939 --> 01:50:16,679
that it means to pretend or claim to do

2529
01:50:27,049 --> 01:50:19,949
something falsely and that is the reason

2530
01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:27,059
why he'll used that word otherwise if he

2531
01:50:31,729 --> 01:50:28,530
didn't want to use it he wouldn't have

2532
01:50:36,410 --> 01:50:31,739
actually taken the time to put that in

2533
01:50:38,479 --> 01:50:36,420
his sort of no comment comment so I

2534
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:38,489
don't think people are actually noticing

2535
01:50:46,399 --> 01:50:44,610
that word when people write a public

2536
01:50:47,660 --> 01:50:46,409
comment that they know the whole world

2537
01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:47,670
is going to read

2538
01:50:53,510 --> 01:50:51,570
and scrutinize heavily I think that it's

2539
01:50:57,950 --> 01:50:53,520
important to understand that this

2540
01:51:00,260 --> 01:50:57,960
individual how new that the implication

2541
01:51:02,540 --> 01:51:00,270
or the intention or meaning or the

2542
01:51:05,300 --> 01:51:02,550
significance of what he was writing was

2543
01:51:07,970 --> 01:51:05,310
going to be taken apart and so that is

2544
01:51:10,430 --> 01:51:07,980
why he used that word okay and they're

2545
01:51:14,630 --> 01:51:10,440
also at Billy Cox who had to followed up

2546
01:51:16,700 --> 01:51:14,640
when the initial known meeting came into

2547
01:51:19,700 --> 01:51:16,710
public light that back in the the late

2548
01:51:22,220 --> 01:51:19,710
2000s he had followed up with Admiral

2549
01:51:25,070 --> 01:51:22,230
Wilson who denied that basically what

2550
01:51:26,840 --> 01:51:25,080
was at that point the Greer and Mitchell

2551
01:51:29,750 --> 01:51:26,850
account of what happened in the

2552
01:51:31,370 --> 01:51:29,760
aftermath of the known meeting and he

2553
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:31,380
also followed up with that through the

2554
01:51:37,130 --> 01:51:34,010
Stars he spoke to Chris melon and melon

2555
01:51:39,320 --> 01:51:37,140
let's see declined to comment on the

2556
01:51:41,510 --> 01:51:39,330
specifics but couldn't resist weighing

2557
01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:41,520
in on a scenario that a single defense

2558
01:51:46,280 --> 01:51:43,170
contractor could have blocked Wilson's

2559
01:51:49,870 --> 01:51:46,290
access to an essay P and this is what

2560
01:51:53,150 --> 01:51:49,880
milind stated to Cox in direct quote

2561
01:51:55,250 --> 01:51:53,160
when we do ambitious stuff at DoD there

2562
01:51:57,320 --> 01:51:55,260
is never ever only one contractor in

2563
01:52:00,229 --> 01:51:57,330
read contractors sure but always a

2564
01:52:02,300 --> 01:52:00,239
consortium or subs under a lead perhaps

2565
01:52:04,700 --> 01:52:02,310
grounds to doubt the veracity of the

2566
01:52:06,290 --> 01:52:04,710
document then a so he went a little bit

2567
01:52:07,970 --> 01:52:06,300
further he went a little bit further

2568
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:07,980
than how put off did to Richard Dolan

2569
01:52:12,189 --> 01:52:10,890
and looks like he followed up

2570
01:52:15,070 --> 01:52:12,199
[Music]

2571
01:52:16,450 --> 01:52:15,080
no I'm sorry that that is that is

2572
01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:16,460
something else I'm sorry about that okay

2573
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:18,290
so yeah that's that that's basically

2574
01:52:22,540 --> 01:52:20,480
what Mellon has said in response to

2575
01:52:24,370 --> 01:52:22,550
Billy Cox on all this so this is where

2576
01:52:26,950 --> 01:52:24,380
we're at now I do think there are plenty

2577
01:52:30,910 --> 01:52:26,960
of leads and again I don't think that

2578
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:30,920
the idea of tracking down the Providence

2579
01:52:35,260 --> 01:52:33,530
the the chain of custody what hands this

2580
01:52:36,850 --> 01:52:35,270
dock may may or may not have gone

2581
01:52:40,990 --> 01:52:36,860
through even if it ended up in the hands

2582
01:52:43,959 --> 01:52:41,000
of Edgar Mitchell there are there are

2583
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:43,969
forgeries in art museums all over the

2584
01:52:49,390 --> 01:52:47,210
world and just last year a museum in

2585
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:49,400
France it turned out that the half of

2586
01:52:55,479 --> 01:52:51,050
the paintings they had in their museum

2587
01:52:57,010 --> 01:52:55,489
were in fact forgeries so you know there

2588
01:52:59,500 --> 01:52:57,020
but there are stuff to follow around

2589
01:53:00,520 --> 01:52:59,510
okay we've got Miller on the record

2590
01:53:03,550 --> 01:53:00,530
saying what he said

2591
01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:03,560
we've got Davis with his no comment that

2592
01:53:08,379 --> 01:53:05,690
followed up by put off with somewhat

2593
01:53:10,060 --> 01:53:08,389
more detailed no comment and we've got

2594
01:53:12,850 --> 01:53:10,070
there Wilson who no one has contacted

2595
01:53:17,379 --> 01:53:12,860
yet but again there were other things

2596
01:53:19,390 --> 01:53:17,389
again this association of former

2597
01:53:22,990 --> 01:53:19,400
intelligence officers that's a lead that

2598
01:53:25,600 --> 01:53:23,000
can be followed up on that that might

2599
01:53:27,609 --> 01:53:25,610
cut the other way that maybe maybe this

2600
01:53:29,770 --> 01:53:27,619
meeting did happen I'm still highly

2601
01:53:32,310 --> 01:53:29,780
skeptical but again that's a lead follow

2602
01:53:34,450 --> 01:53:32,320
up on the contents of the notes not

2603
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:34,460
after the notes were drawn up either

2604
01:53:39,580 --> 01:53:37,520
legitimately or not that that doesn't

2605
01:53:42,180 --> 01:53:39,590
mean anything okay to be honest about it

2606
01:53:45,220 --> 01:53:42,190
really doesn't the the notes were either

2607
01:53:46,510 --> 01:53:45,230
made up or they're not okay there's only

2608
01:53:48,879 --> 01:53:46,520
two things that are possible here

2609
01:53:52,030 --> 01:53:48,889
they're legitimate or they aren't and

2610
01:53:54,430 --> 01:53:52,040
also we see 15 pages of purported

2611
01:53:56,859 --> 01:53:54,440
writing from Eric Davis and Eric Davis

2612
01:53:58,870 --> 01:53:56,869
has a lot of other known writing samples

2613
01:54:00,669 --> 01:53:58,880
are there quirks in that writing are

2614
01:54:02,770 --> 01:54:00,679
there some unusual things in there that

2615
01:54:04,959 --> 01:54:02,780
might indicate that he did in fact write

2616
01:54:07,419 --> 01:54:04,969
those notes follow up on that take a

2617
01:54:09,430 --> 01:54:07,429
look and take a closer look at that so

2618
01:54:11,229 --> 01:54:09,440
there are a lot of leads here a lot of

2619
01:54:13,270 --> 01:54:11,239
things to look at we're continuing to do

2620
01:54:16,169 --> 01:54:13,280
that and I suggest that other

2621
01:54:18,700 --> 01:54:16,179
researchers do the same and you know

2622
01:54:20,859 --> 01:54:18,710
there's there's plenty to go on there's

2623
01:54:22,570 --> 01:54:20,869
no shortage to go on so having said all

2624
01:54:23,830 --> 01:54:22,580
that that we gave our little update we

2625
01:54:26,830 --> 01:54:23,840
had a great interview

2626
01:54:30,190 --> 01:54:26,840
with Steve Bassett and thanks up for

2627
01:54:32,110 --> 01:54:30,200
chase clusky for joining in and hey so

2628
01:54:34,330 --> 01:54:32,120
we're ready to wrap this up we're ready

2629
01:54:37,300 --> 01:54:34,340
to go I thought we had a great show and

2630
01:54:39,610 --> 01:54:37,310
any final words Chet yeah I'd like to

2631
01:54:41,980 --> 01:54:39,620
say that I have done more research and I

2632
01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:41,990
will be viewing that out regarding the

2633
01:54:47,380 --> 01:54:43,690
topic that we're talking about here

2634
01:54:48,790 --> 01:54:47,390
later I haven't decided when but I know

2635
01:54:50,710 --> 01:54:48,800
that you and I will get together and

2636
01:54:56,020 --> 01:54:50,720
decide at what point we'll go ahead and

2637
01:54:59,160 --> 01:54:56,030
have that show final thing because it's

2638
01:55:04,810 --> 01:54:59,170
been pointed out that obviously

2639
01:55:06,910 --> 01:55:04,820
commander Miller did express a lot of

2640
01:55:11,920 --> 01:55:06,920
skepticism about the notes it also said

2641
01:55:13,540 --> 01:55:11,930
that he did not you know did not write

2642
01:55:17,020 --> 01:55:13,550
that letter in the form it's being

2643
01:55:18,700 --> 01:55:17,030
presented and excuse me one thing and

2644
01:55:20,200 --> 01:55:18,710
this was a the key question that one to

2645
01:55:23,740 --> 01:55:20,210
ask him and I made the point Tuesday I

2646
01:55:25,600 --> 01:55:23,750
want to make it again I don't think that

2647
01:55:27,970 --> 01:55:25,610
this is a point that anybody is debating

2648
01:55:31,930 --> 01:55:27,980
that commander and Miller is a plugged

2649
01:55:33,790 --> 01:55:31,940
in smart guy who knows UFOs and I don't

2650
01:55:35,350 --> 01:55:33,800
think for a second and that's why I

2651
01:55:37,420 --> 01:55:35,360
asked him this first I don't think for a

2652
01:55:41,470 --> 01:55:37,430
second that if he had the opportunity to

2653
01:55:43,870 --> 01:55:41,480
ask this contractor who basically holds

2654
01:55:45,970 --> 01:55:43,880
the key to all knowledge about the

2655
01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:45,980
extra-terrestrial presence I don't think

2656
01:55:51,340 --> 01:55:47,690
that what he'd be asking him is about

2657
01:55:53,320 --> 01:55:51,350
the Socorro case and the Socorro case in

2658
01:55:55,690 --> 01:55:53,330
conjunction with the Holloman Air Force

2659
01:55:57,580 --> 01:55:55,700
Base case the pool and I still have a

2660
01:55:59,470 --> 01:55:57,590
problem with it and let's see somebody

2661
01:56:01,630 --> 01:55:59,480
who thinks these notes are legitimate

2662
01:56:03,880 --> 01:56:01,640
address that and let's see them follow

2663
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:03,890
up and take a closer look at some known

2664
01:56:08,140 --> 01:56:05,690
writing samples from Erik Davis and

2665
01:56:10,120 --> 01:56:08,150
let's see some people follow up on this

2666
01:56:12,700 --> 01:56:10,130
association of former intelligence

2667
01:56:14,419 --> 01:56:12,710
officers and I'm done let's get out of

2668
01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:14,429
here

2669
01:56:20,149 --> 01:56:17,250
all right okay well I just wanted to

2670
01:56:23,149 --> 01:56:20,159
thank our wonderful guests Steven

2671
01:56:24,830 --> 01:56:23,159
Bassett for coming on and look forward

2672
01:56:27,830 --> 01:56:24,840
to interviewing him again because I know

2673
01:56:30,020 --> 01:56:27,840
that there's going to be more subjects

2674
01:56:34,130 --> 01:56:30,030
that we'll be able to to cover with him

2675
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:34,140
and I just want to ask Steve will you be

2676
01:56:47,750 --> 01:56:36,210
able to do that perhaps maybe sometime

2677
01:56:51,340 --> 01:56:47,760
this year I think your might a lot of

2678
01:56:55,790 --> 01:56:51,350
things are about to unfold pretty sure

2679
01:56:57,490 --> 01:56:55,800
the the next two were only today over

2680
01:56:59,419 --> 01:56:57,500
the next ten days

2681
01:57:00,740 --> 01:56:59,429
nice Friday yeah I mean it you're gonna

2682
01:57:03,590 --> 01:57:00,750
have two more unidentifieds you're gonna

2683
01:57:08,300 --> 01:57:03,600
air I expect some strong stuff coming

2684
01:57:09,709 --> 01:57:08,310
out of there and probably Trump's

2685
01:57:11,870 --> 01:57:09,719
statement is going to ignite a few

2686
01:57:13,250 --> 01:57:11,880
things we'll see what happens so Adele

2687
01:57:15,380 --> 01:57:13,260
development moving that so give me a

2688
01:57:22,459 --> 01:57:15,390
call I can come on short notice if

2689
01:57:24,110 --> 01:57:22,469
necessary I'm really pretty much anytime

2690
01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:24,120
day or night we can roll we can do

2691
01:57:32,540 --> 01:57:30,480
something so we we also we also have a

2692
01:57:36,830 --> 01:57:32,550
show at the end of the year which as

2693
01:57:39,380 --> 01:57:36,840
Steven is absolutely invited to and we

2694
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:39,390
have quite a few high-profile folks in

2695
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:41,370
the UFO community who will be on this

2696
01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:43,770
mega panel which is to review the entire

2697
01:57:49,610 --> 01:57:47,370
year of your 2019 regarding all current

2698
01:57:50,870 --> 01:57:49,620
events cool let me just send me the time

2699
01:57:53,090 --> 01:57:50,880
and date on that and I'll be I'll be

2700
01:58:00,939 --> 01:57:53,100
there it'll be the first Sunday of

2701
01:58:03,169 --> 01:58:00,949
December that music very good okay

2702
01:58:05,030 --> 01:58:03,179
appreciate it Steve thanks a lot

2703
01:58:07,010 --> 01:58:05,040
everybody and we'll have more as news

2704
01:58:08,959 --> 01:58:07,020
breaks we're going to stay on it so

2705
01:58:10,820 --> 01:58:08,969
thanks a lot for joining us and enjoy